We have exciting news to share! Yesterday, the State Board of Elections announced that for the first time ever, Marylanders can register to vote and update their address information online.
This is a big step forward in making the voting process more accessible and efficient for more Marylanders through a secure system.
To register online, an eligible Maryland resident must have a Maryland-issued driver’s license or an ID card issued by Maryland’s Motor Vehicle Administration.
You can also still register by paper. Please visit one of our many government offices, including MVA offices, State department offices, local departments of Social Services Offices and post offices, or you can request an application by mail by calling 1-800-222-8683.
I strongly encourage all Marylanders to register to vote and of course, to get out to the polls on November 6th.
Martin O'Malley is the governor of Maryland. He writes a regular blog for his official website.
RW Willy
7:57 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Your local board of elections;
The State Board of Elections;
The Department of Health and Mental Hygiene;
The Department of Social Services;
The Motor Vehicle Administration (MVA);
Offices on Aging;
The MTA Paratransit Certification Office;
All public institutions of higher education;
Recruitment offices of the U.S. Armed Forces;
Marriage license offices; and
Offices for students with disabilities at all Maryland colleges and universities
So I am to busy, can't drive, no money or tjust lazy to go to ANY of the above locations and fill out a registration form. But I have a computer and internet access?
This is another avenue for voter fraud. Registering to vote was not hard to do. Now our cash-strapped state is operating an online voter form data base.
The only people that will use this are high schoolers that lose thier forms on the way home.
Mike M
9:21 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
This is 2012. A lot of sensitive things are done over the web - banking for example. If it can save me a trip in the car or talking to some clerk somewhere, you can bet I'll use it.
jag
11:25 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
I know, right. I hate that our government pretends like it's the 21st century. I totally wish I could take off work and drive somewhere and wait in line and watch a bunch of public employees push paper all day. Why is MD giving me a different option?!? Efficiency is the worst. BOOO MARYLAND. BOO TECHNOLOGY.
jag
3:32 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Voter fraud, maybe. But all that needs to be done to address that is show a valid picture ID along with you voter ID when you go to vote.
RW Willy
11:29 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
I'd agree with you about better things to do other then stand in line or drive to get a form, but! This only needs to be done once. I registered in high school. Done, never had to do anything but vote. No line or wait. Don't try to make it sound like registering to vote is arduious, it is not.
Arbutus Town Crier
10:48 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
RW Willy, you have to show your face at those places. Ahem (PC) undocumented register protection
Steve
11:42 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
ATC That's a load of gibberish. Are you posting in English???
jag
8:40 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
"This only needs to be done once. I registered in high school. Done, never had to do anything but vote. No line or wait. Don't try to make it sound like registering to vote is arduious, it is not."
RW Willy, I'd imagine 95% of the site's use will be changes of address w/a few changes in party affiliation sprinkled in, not initial registrations.
JustABill
6:21 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Oh my! I cannot believe I am about to type this but here goes ... jag if you are serious about showing a valid photo ID when you go to vote then I believe we actually agree on something.
I know for a fact that vote fraud is alive and well here in Maryland and the only way to ever stop it from happening is to have a voter ID law as they are passing in several other states or as those that already exist in many states.
I find it interesting how it is always Democrats that fight against Voter ID laws under the guise that it is voter suppression. They claim lower income individuals do not have the resources or ability to go out and acquire a government issued ID card. They seem to ignore the fact that it is a law in Maryland, as well as most states in the US, for anyone over 18 must possess either a drivers license or state issued ID (age of majority) card. Democrats are always more than willing to shuttle voters to the polls on election day so why don't they offer the same service to these alleged individuals unable to obtain an ID card.
FIFA_archived
7:16 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Sorry JustaBill, in person voter fraud happened in 1 out of 15,000,000 votes cast. So why pass a law to require voter ID. Those are facts.
http://votingrights.news21.com/
JustABill
9:10 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
FIFA ... Then can you please explain to me how my DEAD father who died in 1991 as a registered Republican changed his voter registration to Democrat in 1992 and has been a 4x4 voter in every election cycle since then? Can you also explain to me why the Montgomery County BOE says they cannot remove him from the voter roll because they cannot prove this is not my dead father?
Then can you also explain to me how a voting precinct can have more than a 100% voter turnout year after year after year and no one seems to care? Voter fraud is real. Denial is ignorance.
BUT, regardless of the facts the real issue is why not have a Voter ID Law when it is already the law to possess an ID and you must show an ID to do far less important things in everyday life.
FIFA_archived
9:21 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
JAB, urban legends, go read real research.
http://votingrights.news21.com/
JustABill
9:39 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
My father being dead is an urban legend? Eff You!
Ronald
7:59 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
I hope this is just for registration. TOOOOOOOOO easy for someone to hack into you identity and cast votes in you name. But then again I doubt it really matters as I believe the elections are decided a long time before anyone really votes.
DawnP
2:41 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
I don't think that they are contemplating online VOTING, just online registration. But we should ALL be concerned about the lack of a paper trail with the current touchscreen voting machines Maryland is using.
Steve
3:49 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
You have BGEhrlich, Kristin Cox and Jack Abramoff to blame for that. Abramoff was a lobbyist for Diebold and got his bought and paid for cronies to purchase the machines.
JustABill
9:32 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Steve, you just love posting things that are so perversely false. First of all it was the Democrat led General Assembly that approved the purchase of the electronic voting machines in 2001 and Governor Ehrlich took office in 2002. It was also the then Democrat appointed State Elections Board that decided a voter receipt based paper trail was not ready to be implemented and then in 2007 they reaffirmed that one was not needed. Oh and it is O'Malley who is in bed with BGE not Ehrlich. Ehrlich was the one who actually opposed the BGE rate hikes in 2006. All O'Malley did was make empty campaign promises and then not only let BGE raise their rates in 2007 but he has let them raise them a few more times since then as well.
But why let little things like Facts and the Truth get in the way of your keyboard warrior lies.
FIFA_archived
8:17 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
The concept of voter fraud is a fraud.
Judy.Bach Balto Coordinator HSM
8:33 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
FIFA..you are incorrect. I know people who are working for "Election Integrity Maryland" and are finding all sorts of garbage. We have had motor Voter where illegal aliens were TOLD by the MVA to register democrat. The MVA people have spoken out about it. There were bus loads of illegal aliens coming into the MVA's ..we have pictures. CASA de Maryland registers illegal aliens to vote- they have been thrown off of jury pools! Illegal aliens have been found with voter registration cards in Spanish on their persons! Ilegal aliens have been found working polls in PG county. I don't need to go on any further. You are in denial. Baltimore City has had dead people voting for 100 years now. Their addresses are from the cemetaries.
Joe
8:43 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
FIFI is just to ignorant and dumb to see fraud and has the mind of a 5 year old.
Wow! It IS easy to be him....I may have to keep this up.
FIFA_archived
8:53 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Sorry Judy, I disagree with you completely. In Pennsylvania, the legislature there just passed a voter ID law and stated that there has not a single prosecution of a voter illegally voting. Not one. A solution looking for a problem.
If you think it through for a second, why would anyone take a chance of going to jail for a single vote. You would be nuts to do so. If it was a grand conspiracy of thousands of votes it would be impossible to keep secret. You would get caught.
I am much more concerned about the integrity of the electronic vote totals. Without a paper trail it would be much easier to have a conspiracy to alter vote totals and no one would know.
Steve
3:52 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
LOL "Election Integrity Maryland" What a joke! They are only combing the voter records looking for people with Hispanic surnames. Bigotry at it's finest!
Steve
5:01 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Here is more on the "Election Integrity Maryland" clowns/clownettes
http://www.npr.org/2012/03/13/148518795/tea-party-spawns-new-effort-against-voter-fraud
Arbutus Town Crier
11:09 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
@Judy.Bach Balto Coordinator HSM an Acorn process no one knew about that? so FIFA it is possible SHE IS CORRECT !!! CASA de Maryland registers illegal aliens to vote and they live by Maryland gov funded housing Yea FREE our tax dollars now how do you think there going to vote? living free on our tax dollar drink beer and trow the cans all over the place .Judy is right about MVA after they changed the law 1-2 yrs ago MVA is not crowded shoulder to shoulder any more, So a new tactic has to be employed. There is so much more we don't know about you see something is not correct and then you see comments as Judy it all adds up you get a group and each person knows one fact common sense puts it all together by witnesses .
Joe
8:44 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
A total of four Democratic officials and political operatives have now pleaded guilty to voter fraud-related felony charges in an alleged scheme to steal a New York election.
The latest guilty pleas expose the ease with which political insiders can apparently manipulate the electoral system and throw an election their way, by the forging of signatures of unsuspecting voters that are then cast as real votes.
"The phrase they use is: 'making sure they vote the right way,'" said a source close to the case, which is unfolding in Troy, N.Y. "It is not a Democratic or Republican thing. ... It is criminal."
Joe
8:45 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008 presidential race
Felony charges related to election fraud have touched the 2008 race for the highest office in the land.
Prosecutors in South Bend, Ind., filed charges Monday against four St. Joseph County Democratic officials and deputies as part of a multiple-felony case involving the alleged forging of Democratic presidential primary petitions in the 2008 election, which put then-candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the Indiana ballot.
The officials are accused of taking part in a scheme to fake signatures and names on the primary petitions needed to run for president. Court papers say the plan was hatched by local Democratic Party officials inside the local party headquarters.
Among those charged is the former long-time chairman of the St. Joseph County Democratic Party, Butch Morgan, who allegedly ordered the forgeries. He was forced to resign when the allegations were first made public last October
Joe
8:46 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
The state of Texas and the Justice Department gave opening statements Monday in a trial over Texas’ new voter ID law, setting the stage for a legal battle over the federal Voting Rights Act.
. . . .
Testimony from witnesses began immediately after opening statements, with Texas calling Brian Keith Ingram, an official with the Texas Secretary of State’s Office. Ingram told the court he knew of at least four verified instances when someone voted who had recently passed away according to records and said there could be as many as 239 such instances.
“It’s more common than we thought, and it is troubling,” he said.
Under cross examination, Ingram said that there’s a possibility some of those instances are the result of clerical errors.
Believing that we always catch voter fraud requires us to believe that government is motivated to catch the bad guys, and that they always do. In other words, that government officials are always competent, motivated, and hardworking.
Joe
8:48 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Felon Voter Fraud Convictions Stemming from Minnesota’s 2008 General Election
http://www.electionintegritywatch.com/documents/2011-Report-Voter-Fraud-Convictions.pdf
Executive Summary
More than two years after Minnesota Majority filed complaints with county attorneys throughout Minnesota citing evidence of ineligible felons voting in the 2008 General Election, convictions for these election crimes are still emerging from our legal system. The statute of limitations for these 2008 crimes will run-out this November after which no additional illegal voters will be able to be charged.
As of August 10th, 2011, 113 individuals are now known to have been convicted for voter fraud committed in 2008. We believe this is the highest number of voter fraud convictions obtained in any state for a single election cycle since 1936. In fact, according to a 2006 Justice Department report, there have been more convictions for voter fraud in Minnesota from just the 2008 election than the DOJ was able to prosecute over a five year span, nationwide.
While this number may seem a small percentage of the 2,803 suspected ineligible voters originally
submitted to county prosecutors for investigation, there is a wide gap between voting while ineligible and voting while knowingly ineligible."
Fraud never happens until it does. Want more?
FIFA_archived
8:57 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Yes, find me something that changed an election. It doesn't exist. "Felons" voting doesn't mean they intended to commit fraud. It means voter registration did not cross check databases. As an aside, I am of the opinion, if you served you sentence in full you should be able to vote anyway.
Joe
8:57 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
3. Eric Holder’s Justice Department tacitly supports voter intimidation tactics, sues states and backs private lawsuits, and resists reform as “voter suppression.”
4. Leftist echo chamber discredits allegations of vote fraud, supports “suppression” theme, and promotes advantageous legislation.
The ultimate goal is a systematized, taxpayer-funded voting machinery that will guarantee maximum participation from the Left’s voting demographic while undermining the ability to manage elections and prevent fraud."
Barack Obama established his organizing bona fides with Project Vote in 1992, when he registered 150,000 Illinois voters.
Project Vote was created and run for years by Zach Polett, who bragged that he trained Barack Obama in 1992 and said of Obama, “ACORN produces leaders.” Polett is listed in Manta.com as president of Voting for America, one of Project Vote’s former names, although his name is not on Project Vote’s website. Calls to that listing roll into a voice mail identifying the organizations as “CSI.” Polett’s extension is #3. CSI is the acronym for Citizens Services Inc., another supposedly defunct ACORN group that was used to hide over $800,000 paid by candidate Obama to ACORN in 2008.
This kind of duplicitous activity reflects a deliberate methodology. ACORN is a criminal organization."
Joe
9:00 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
The Cloward Piven Strategy
ACORN is the face of vote fraud, but its intellectual foundation is the Cloward Piven Strategy. Sociology professors Richard Cloward (Columbia University) and Frances Fox Piven (CUNY) were founding members of Democratic Socialists of America (DSA). Cloward died in 2001 but Piven lives on.
In 1966 Cloward and Piven penned an article for The Nation magazine titled “The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty.” They posited that if the poor were organized into street armies to demand all welfare benefits available to them, they could overwhelm and crash the system.
It became known as the “Cloward-Piven Strategy,” and is credited with expanding welfare rolls 151 percent between 1965 and 1974 and bringing New York City to the brink of bankruptcy in 1975.
Steve
3:53 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
LOL Acorn! They disbanded 2 years ago.
Paul
4:06 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Voter fraud is as old as political elections. The 1960 presidential election was a primo example. "The Chicago Tribune wrote that "the election of November 8, 1960 was characterized by such gross and palpable fraud as to justify the conclusion that [Nixon] was deprived of victory."Had Nixon won both states (Texas and Illinois where massive fraud occurred in Kennedy's favor), he would have ended up with exactly 270 electoral votes and the presidency, with or without a victory in the popular vote." Fraud at the highest level changing an election. Keep dreaming that it doesn't exist.
Joe
8:56 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
The Left’s National Vote Fraud Strategy Exposed
"This strategy has been under development for decades. They have constructed an entire industry devoted to this task and pursue a multifaceted strategy to accomplish it:
1. Swamp election officials with overwhelming numbers of registrations at the last possible minute, a huge proportion of which are deliberately fraudulent, in order to create systematic chaos. This accomplishes numerous goals:
Makes verification of registrations difficult, given the small size and limited budgets of state and local election offices.
Provides multiple opportunities for vote fraud.
Throws the entire voting process into question, providing pretext for lawsuits where concessions may be obtained from election officials.
When election officials challenge registrations, they are accused of “voter suppression.” This in turn serves complementary goals:
Charge of “voter suppression” reinforces the Left’s narrative about America as an oppressive, “racist” country.
Publicity and lawsuits intimidate election officials, who settle on terms favorable to the Left.
2. Activists sue state authorities for “voter suppression,” creating further chaos and pressuring them to become de facto taxpayer-funded voter registration operations;
Joe
9:04 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
FIFI denies he is a man if iposted he was. It is clear he has doubts
FIFA_archived
9:04 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
It appears the best Jerk Joe can do is copy and paste. Find me something that got close to changing an election. It just doesn't exist. Stop jumping up and down, that BB for a brain you have will get hurt.
Joe
9:18 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Poor boy said fraud did not exist now he changes the goal posts? Poor little boy. The fraud case in Troy New York did change the results if you ever could learn to read at a 4th grade level. Can I post pictures to make it easier for you?
Joe
9:20 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
"Copy and paste" THE first comment from one who has just been shown to be an idiot! Am I supposed to re-type those stories for you? Is that what you want? Shrink back into your sphincter.
FIFA_archived
9:36 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
You are a vulgar little maggot it appears.
Joe
9:45 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Poor wittle boy FIFI got his sensitive feewings hurt! Ohhh poor wittle bully. Can dish it but can't take it wittle bully?
FIFA_archived
9:47 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
No feelings hurt here. But you are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane.
Joe
10:06 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Ohhh look! FIFI not only questions his own manhood he learned to use a thesaurus for more name calling. Did mommy give you a gold star FIFI? Your problem may be a loaded diaper. Get mommy to change you FIFI.
FIFA_archived
10:16 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Josephine, you are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot
Joe
10:26 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Ohhh poor willte FIFI. I see you are learning more new words. Another Gold star on your pinhead from mommy and a Popsicle for wunch?
DawnP
3:24 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Patch -- I'd like to respectfully request that you start monitoring the comments more closely and enforcing your TOS more strictly. The comments on any even remotely political article seem to quickly turn to name-calling, personal attacks, and completely off-topic arguments (from BOTH sides). In short, the comments sections are basically a train wreck and I guarantee it's scaring away readers and potential commenters who are looking for a more rational discussion of the issues raised in your articles.
Joe
3:35 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Great points DawnP. I heartily agree. I decided to fight fire with fire, can't beat em join em, fight the bully with his own medicine instead of being shut down and when those un-named decide to grow the hell up, I will then have no further comments like those that ruin this site.
Parkvillehoney
3:44 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Dawn, I have to agree with you. I enjoy reading various Patch comments but the name calling has got to stop. I feel like I am on a school yard with a bunch of bullies! Please Patch commentors. could you please stick to the topic of the article and leave out the derogatory comments?
Sean R. Sedam
5:23 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Please avoid the name calling. There's a good discussion going here, but resorting to names not only undercuts your argument and erodes the civility of the discourse, but it also violates the spirit of our Terms of Use.
You can find our Terms of Use here: http://rockville.patch.com/terms
Please especially note two specific parts of the TOU: First, the paragraph just below the first bullet points that reads: "Instead of trying to memorize all that, you might boil it down to three main principles: 'Keep it clean,' 'Don’t try to trick people,' and 'Treat others as you’d like to be treated.'"
Second, a note on how we monitor the site: "We do our best to keep tabs on what is posted on the site, however Patch is under no obligation to screen or monitor Content, but may review Content from time to time at its sole discretion to determine compliance with the Patch Terms of Use. Patch will make all determinations as to what Content is appropriate at its sole discretion. We may include, edit or remove any Content at any time without notice."
RW Willy
9:15 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Voter fraud does invalidate the popular vote numbers. I think knowing exactly what the populace thinks is important. Do to the real time predictions from the media, proclaiming winners with 10% of precints reporting! Fraud can preclude some from voting if they feel it is over. Malais I know, but.
Just because there is no hard evidence of an election being decided by fraud doesn't mean it is a nonissue.
I want all elegible persons to vote. Not selected dead or pressured minorities.
FIFA_archived
9:28 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
RW, the other side of the argument is noted in your last sentence. "I want all elegible persons to vote. Not selected dead or pressured minorities." Evidence is showing that many eligible voters don't have the photo ID being required in many states. Thus you are excluding them for voting or in some cases requiring them to go to significant expense to obtain those ID's. Thus the various lawsuits by the DOJ.
Regarding, "Just because there is no hard evidence of an election being decided by fraud doesn't mean it is a non issue. " I disagree with that statement, I think it is a non-issue. What is interesting is the partisan nature of the argument. One side thinks the ID would help them and vice-versa.
Regarding "malais[e]", I agree. Only 50% vote on a good day.
Joe
10:38 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Hey FIFI, it that ball your make believe friend? Did you paint that self portrait in it with crayons? What a talented child you are! Another Gold Star and lollipop for you.
FIFA_archived
6:00 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
@RW - here is the latest on voter fraud.
http://votingrights.news21.com/
RW Willy
11:20 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
You can get a MD ID card for $15. That is not significant expense. Considering an Id card is needed to open a bank account, buy liquor and a multitude of other things. To require a form of ID is not be a big deal if you want to vote.
If the registration process was more secure then your voter registration card would suffice, and it is free.
Evets
4:12 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
The main reason that photo ID is not required in most states is because most states charge for an ID card. Requiring an ID card that comes with a fee is tantamount to charging a fee to vote, commonly called a poll tax. Charging a fee to exercise one's Constitutionally guaranteed rights is well, unconstitutional. Most states that have recently passed laws to require photo IDs to vote have changed their policies so picture IDs are free (if the person requesting the ID card asks the fee to be waived), or they issue voter ID cards to voters who request them. Many states require ID to vote, but will accept almost anything with the voter's name and/or address on it (credit cards, bills, paycheck, bank statement, etc)
Joe
4:15 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Most states that demand ID will give them away at no charge to those on any type of government program.
Joe
3:46 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Nahhh, there's no voter fraud!
"Four staff members of former GOPRep. Thaddeus McCotter’s office will be charged with misdemeanor and felony election fraud violations, including forgery and conspiracy on ballot petitions, after an investigation that prompted the five-time incumbent congressman and one-time presidential candidate to resign in July.
Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette announced the charges in a scathing report released Thursday morning. In it, he said Mr. McCotter’s staff had “lost its moral compass” and shown indifference to the election process, calling their actions “disgraceful.”
Parkvillehoney
3:52 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
I would agree with on line voting registration, IF you have to show ID when you vote at a polling place. I am sick and tired of hearing that people can't afford a form of ID. To transact any banking or government business, you are required to show ID. If the lower income voters can't afford ID's, I feel the State of Maryland should provide a free ID so they can show it when they vote.
Joe
4:04 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
If those against voter ID like the NAASCP, instead of whining and doing all they seem to know how to do, throw out the race card, IF they had a shred of credibility or if they really cared about black voters, they would ORGANIZE to get all those who do not have the proper ID, the proper ID. Buses and contributions to pay for the ID's if there is a charge. Volunteer drivers to take those to the offices to get the ID. Family and friend should take those they know without ID to get it. But they just seem unable to do anything but play their race card! Isn't that deck about out of cards?
Joe
4:06 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Speaking of the NAASCP and voter ID and fraud!
Mississippi NAACP Leader Sent To Prison For 10 Counts of Voter Fraud
While NAACP President Benjamin Jealous lashed out at new state laws requiring photo ID for voting, an NAACP executive sits in prison, sentenced for carrying out a massive voter fraud scheme.
In a story ignored by the national media, in April a Tunica County, Miss., jury convicted NAACP official Lessadolla Sowers on 10 counts of fraudulently casting absentee ballots. Sowers is identified on an NAACP website as a member of the Tunica County NAACP Executive Committee.
Sowers received a five-year prison term for each of the 10 counts, but Circuit Court Judge Charles Webster permitted Sowers to serve those terms concurrently, according to the Tunica Times, the only media outlet to cover the sentencing.
“This crime cuts against the fabric of our free society,” Judge Webster said.
In the trial, forensic scientist Bo Scales testified that Sowers’s DNA was found on the inner seals of five envelopes containing absentee ballots.
Election experts say voter fraud is fairly common, but progressive activists typically insist that the crime is virtually nonexistent. Republicans, they say, routinely exaggerate claims of voter fraud in order to whip their political base into a frenzy and push for voter ID laws. Liberals say such laws are unfair, and claim that they discourage minorities and the poor from voting."
Deny away my friends. Deny away.
Joe
4:16 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
"Senators urge China crackdown on fake IDs
Four U.S. senators asked the Chinese government to block the production of high-quality phony driver licenses sold to Americans.
Sens. Richard Durbin, D-Ill.; Mark Kirk, R-Ill.; Charles Grassley, R-Iowa; and Tom Harkin, D-Iowa., asked China's Ambassador to the U.S., Zhang Yesui, to take "immediate action" against companies in China that provide Americans with phony IDs.
The letter noted that last year the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency seized over 1,700 counterfeit driver's licenses at O'Hare International Airport in Chicago.
Gone are the days when teens and others could easily doctor a license to get into a bar or gain employment. In Michigan and other states, minors have a distinct license from people older than 21.
Citing a USA Today report, the senators said some companies allow people "to electronically insert a digital photo and false biographic information into any state identification document template. For a few hundred American dollars, whole identities can be falsely created for the purpose of receiving a state identification document."
The fake IDs include holograms and other security measures designed to make it harder to counterfeit.
The website for one firm in China — ID Chief — insists the IDs are only for "novelty purposes."
Joe
4:51 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Sorry Frankie, http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120807/BIZ/208070418/1361/Senators-urge-China-crackdown-on-fake-IDs
that is just for you who has yet to learn to use internet search engines. Here's how, right click and copy a few words and put them in google or your choice and the story will come up for you.
Joe
5:47 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
You questioned the source Frank! If you question it, then it your obligation to investigate it. When you can't find the story then you can get your rocks off by calling me a liar and any other of the many names you reserve for those you disagree with. That's how it works Frank.
Why the hell would I post something that could be so easily debunked? I posted the story form as credible a source as any and I hold no responsibility for its content. If you don't do even a preliminary check on things you read from sources like the one above, or as you questioned only my posting it, then you may just believe anything. Hmmm.
Closing shop, have a great weekend.
Joe
4:18 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
For the ill or uninformed, here is a great site about what is and what is not required state by state.
http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx#State_Reqs
Joe
4:20 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
And EVERY state that demands ID also allows provisional ballots so that not one person can be disenfranchised. During the Texas hearing with Holder, he could not produce even ONE voter who could testify under oath that they were not allowed to vote without ID. NOT ONE!
DawnP
4:35 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Unfortunately, I know from personal experience that voting on a provisional ballot does not mean you won't be disenfranchised. I voted on a provisional ballot in the 2004 election, because I didn't (and still don't) trust the paperless Diebold voting machines, and a provisional ballot was the only way there would be a paper record of my vote. Several weeks after the election, I received a letter in the mail from the Elections Board, indicating that my vote (along with all of the other provisional ballots) had not been counted, because statistically, there weren't enough outstanding provisional ballots to affect the outcome. So being able to cast a vote via provisional ballot does not mean that you have a right to have your vote counted.
Joe
5:53 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
I did the same Dawn. Have done so since as well. You voted right? If you had clicked the old levers, or then filled in the circles, or now how ever they do it, would that tally have made ANY difference in the outcome if counted?
If one does not bother to vote one should not bellyache about the outcome of that election. You voted and eiter way your vote would not make a difference in this state.
Have a great weekend.