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Ever Heard of a 'Smart Meter?'

New technology will bring changes to monthly bills and the way meters are read.

 

In another industry transition to digital technology, BGE will soon phase in new equipment to replace its home and business electric and gas meters.

Starting in late April, in Pasadena, BGE will begin switching from analog to digital technology to operate its gas and electric system with the installation of smart meters. It will take three years to complete the project.

Pasadena was chosen as a central location in the county to start, according to BGE.

In total, 1.3 million analog electric meters will be replaced with digital ones, and 700,000 gas meters will be upgraded by the end of 2014.

Once installed and operating as expected, there won't be a need for meter readers. According to BGE's website, those employees will be retrained for other jobs.

BGE's investment in smart grid technology will cost customers in the future.

The Department of Energy provided a $200 million grant to offset the $482 million total cost of the program, leaving $282,000 not covered by the grant. Customers can expect a rate increase in 2015.

“The rate increase will happen in a few years after we’ve implemented the functions and features [of the smart meter]," said Rhea Lewis, BGE manager of corporate communications.

Lewis couldn't provide an estimated rate percentage increase but said that the amount customers will save in energy costs over time with smart meters will more than cover the meter-related surcharge.

"While BGE will seek to recover additional program costs through rate changes that customers will see on their bills, we believe that customers can expect their savings will be significantly greater than any potential costs," Lewis wrote in an email to Patch.

"Customer savings will come from reduced energy and operating costs as well as the new programs BGE will introduce for customers to help them manage energy use and bills." 

Lewis explained that BGE would have to go before the Public Service Commission (PSC), to show that the benefits to smart meters outweigh any potential cost increase to customers. She added that the commission will then make a decision.

A letter describing the switch to meters was sent to customers in March.

There is not an opt-out program now, but Lewis said BGE may consider one. In the meantime, she said, the scheduled installations will begin at the end of the month in Pasadena and will continue as planned.

A public hearing on the opt-out program is scheduled for May 22 at the PSC located at 6 St. Paul St. in Baltimore, according to Lewis. The PSC's website also mentions that there will be a discussion on establishing a surcharge to recover costs at the meeting.

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Peter Grayson

9:40 am on Tuesday, April 24, 2012

Bad news, folks. Yes, I admit to being a cynic, but given the potential health and privacy issues with these meters, I see NO value to this. Not only that, but EXPECT rates to rise immediately after installation of these things.

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Marc Tippin

12:05 pm on Tuesday, April 24, 2012

Peter, could you clarify what you mean by health and privacy issues? Not sure about the health issues of either or how they effect me and my family's health, but I see more privacy issues with analog as the readers come rolling into my fenced back yard without announcing themselves. I have a dog that is protective and relishes the opportunity to escape the fenced yard, and the BGE guy seems to enjoy letting him out too.

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George Karadimas

11:09 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

For Now and Until the Maryland PSC can hake a Final decision, people can have a "Temporary" opt-out from the smart meter installation by sending a letter (certified ?) to BGE that they do not want a smart meter installed. People that have had a smart meter installed inadvertently can write to BGE to have it removed.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-bz-bge-smart-meter-deferral-20120530,0,7556276.story
Customers should address mail to Smart Meter Deferral, BGE, P.O. Box 1475, Baltimore, MD 21203. In the letter, BGE said, customers should include their name, address, account number, phone number and email address.

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Susan Reed

2:36 pm on Thursday, June 28, 2012

To Marc Tippin, from C. Zehfus.
See Stop Smart Meters dot com for info on health and other problems. Also See the first couple of pages in this doc. prepared for WI legislators about what is wrong with smart meters, including health-wise. IT includes some links, etc.
http://stopsmartmeterswisconsin.wordpress.com/2012/04/17/give-wisconsin-legislators-this-packet-for-legislative-action/

Jim Davis

12:09 pm on Tuesday, April 24, 2012

Wonderful Fire the meter readers and raise the rates to pay for it. Then we have to educate ourselves in how to interpret the readings so we can save money. Do the dingbats think we will chart our consumption against fluctuating energy costs in order to save a small amount per kWh?

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Traci M. Radice

12:52 pm on Tuesday, April 24, 2012

The Energy Act of 2005 provides that within 18 months of the enactment, each electric utility SHALL OFFER and provide UPON REQUEST a time-based rate schedule. Nowhere is the word MANDATORY.

Further why did BGE allow an opt IN for Peak Rewards and Smart Meters are mandatory?

The majority of states that have installed the meters have had customer complaints of illness within days of installation, and have since ordered moratoriums against the installations, allowing customers to opt out and request their analog meters back. The AAEM has recommended a moratorium at least until further testing can be done.

Also there are invasion of privacy issues. The meters will be able to tell BGE (and any 3P they allow permission AND any hackers - proven that they are not hack-free) your daily routines by monitoring your coffee maker, your washing machine, etc. and will know when you are not at home.

Lastly there have been many fires/explosions within 24 hours of the meter's installation in various states. AND insurance companies are refusing to cover the liability.

BGE says there will be a cost savings to customers. The states that did install the meters have customers up in arms because their bills are 2-3 times HIGHER.

Given all that, NOW are you for or against them? Check out www.MarylandSmartMeterAwareness.org for more information and how you can get involved in the fight against the Smart Meters!

Oh, they are also going in schools and hospitals. BEWARE!

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S Rivera

10:48 am on Thursday, April 26, 2012

The link on MarylandSmartMeterAwareness.org unfortunately does not work. Is there another web site? Thank you for your valuable input.

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Malaprop

1:40 am on Monday, April 30, 2012

How many fires/explosions have there been? How many reports do we have about these. Do the fire departments consider them to be a hazard?

Please explain what you mean when you say insurance companies are refusing to cover the liability. Do they believe that there genuine risk of harm? Or is it that the real risk is the likelihood that a scientifically illiterate jury -- consisting of people like the posters on this blog -- will rule for the plaintiff out of ignorance?

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George Karadimas

11:14 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

How many Smart meter fires you say? how about 900 and counting around the country, and here is a spectacular one for your viewing Pleasure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah3nNo89-NU

Peter Grayson

12:52 pm on Tuesday, April 24, 2012

The health questions surround the RF/microwave radiation signal. The system is always on and continually transmitting. I've seen studies that seem to claim the RF/microwave levels are at least twice that of cell phones. I am not one all that concerned with all the various radio waves, etc., causing issues, but there seems to be a number of cases in which certain individuals have electromagnetic sensitivity.

As for the privacy issue(s), I understand that one of the "advantages" of the Smart Meter is that you can pinpoint specifically where your energy use is coming from. More importantly, the power company could control your energy consumption from their central location. So, if you had your heat too high in the winter or a/c too high in the summer (by whose standard?), the company could adjust your thermostat to what they found to be acceptable.

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George Karadimas

11:21 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

You Got it!
Upon installation of a smart meter on your home, you instantly change classes from an electricity consumer ...to the wonderful status of a Power utility MANAGED resource.
Welcome to the New world order and agenda 21, Google "smart meter problems" for a bird's eye view of your electric future.

All for your benefit of course.

carl lazar

2:50 pm on Tuesday, April 24, 2012

I have one on my house and since they have installed it my bills have gone down. No more estimating with the eye. I have no issues with it.

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Traci M. Radice

3:54 pm on Tuesday, April 24, 2012

Carl - where are you located and how long have you had it?

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George Karadimas

11:25 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

I find that hard to believe! It may be you got lucky and have a DUD.
80% report increase in their electric bills.

Patricia O'Brien - Boarman

5:56 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

I urge all residents to write a letter to BGE, P.O. Box 1475, Baltimore, Md. 21203 and also to Public Service Commission Of Maryland, William Donald Schaefer Tower, 6 St. Paul Street, 16th floor, Baltimore, Maryland 21202-6808, please send by certified mail informing them that you are denying them consent to install any smart meters on your property as radiation produced by Smart Meters is a Class 2B carcinogen which poses health risks and the PSC will be meeting soon so request that they provide an opt out for residents who do not wish the Smart Meters or ask they put a moritorium on until further study. These meters invade our privacy, RF radiation 24/7, could affect our National Security, interference with other wireless devices, fires and effects on our planet's ecosystem. A drastic increase in your utility rates will be forthcoming once these SmartMeters are installed. Act now before it is too late. Go to website www.SmartMetersAwareness.com, you may sign a petition saying you want to opt out as at present there is no opt out option.

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Traci M. Radice

7:36 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

even better ... www.MarylandSmartMeterAwareness.com. There are also warning signs to put on your house near your meters that say you do NOT consent to the removal of your safe analog meter...

Susan Brinchman

9:02 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Smart meters are definitely dangerous. They cause a full body exposure of up to 160 times that of a cell phone, according to Daniel Hirsch, Univ. of CA, Santa Cruz, CA. In California, we have obtained stats from the utilities that prove the meters actually are sending and receiving signals every second or two, up to 100,000 pulses daily. They were playing games with the numbers and minimizing them by averaging the length of tranmission of the data packets being sent. That is only 10% of the duty cycle. Revealed: SDG&E Smart Meter Technical Data and Bio-Effects http://lamesa.patch.com/blog_posts/revealed-sdge-smart-meter-technical-data-and-bio-effects-of-microwave-radiation in La Mesa Patch, tells the story with the original documents in Media. Fight smart meters with all you've got. Much more info on this topic at www.electrosmogprevention.org. As one who is sick from these horrific devices, as a nonprofit leader who is fighting the use of smart meters, I can assure you that these are nothing you would want in your community if you knew the risks and the dangers. Also, property rights issues, civil rights, privacy, security, safety - a myriad of reasons to refuse smart meters. If I had known better, I'd have built a fence around the analog meters I had before and never would have allowed the changeout. Over my dead body would they have gotten in. Smart meters are a public health menace and a civil rights menace that opens the door to far worse. Get them banned ASAP.

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BGE Communications

3:40 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Please visit our website for information regarding smart meters and our smart grid initiative. Our Common Questions section can help answer questions. http://www.bge.com/learnshare/smartgrid/smartmeters/pages/default.aspx

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Traci M. Radice

1:50 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

Your answers are not detailed or supported by any evidence.

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George Karadimas

11:31 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

I did and left disappointed.
Kind of asking the devil given a choice for a recommendation about selecting between heaven or H_ _L

The Truth

9:31 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

The meters are Smart. The people worried about them are dumb. The things they are claiming are just stupid. Stop being so paranoid and get on with your lives.

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Traci M. Radice

10:23 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

@The Truth - and upon just what evidence and/or research do you base this?

Susan Brinchman

11:28 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

I'd love to get on with my life. Here is my "Living Nightmare" TRUE smart meter story:
http://lamesa.patch.com/blog_posts/living-nightmare-how-sdge-smart-meters-led-to-my-headaches-sleeping-ills-hearing-loss. I founded a nonprofit that is participating in legal proceedings at the CA state PUC to strongly encourage opting out and banning of smart meters. Utility companies hire shills to write on articles like this one, you can easily pick them out.

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Susan Brinchman

11:02 am on Thursday, April 26, 2012

Does the utility have a mandate to install, by law? NO
Does the utility have a right to come on your property and install a wireless communications system rather than a meter? NO
The fraudulent smart meter program is all falling apart in California - read this breaking news article and use it locally and statewide for personal and legal challenges:
http://www.electrosmogprevention.org/stop-ca-smart-meter-news/ca-public-utilities-commission-pge-smart-meter-opt-out-fees-suspended/

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Traci M. Radice

1:51 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

Thank you, Susan Brinchman! You are correct!

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Traci M. Radice

3:05 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

@Joe Robinson - they ceased having to read meters on foot many years ago. They do a drive by and can read it digitally. You should NOT be all for them as you will pay more in health and in your bills and many other issues!

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Traci M. Radice

3:33 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

1) World Health Org classified the radiation emitted by SM's as suspect carcinogen
2) Karolinksa Institute, one of the top ten medical research orgs in the world, which picks the Nobel prize winner in medicine urged a halt of all wireless technology until it can be determined that they are safe
3) American Academy of Environmental Medicine called for a moratorium on smart meter installations.

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Malaprop

10:21 pm on Sunday, April 29, 2012

"The Truth" is correct.

Out of retirement -- I see SB is here too.

"1) World Health Org classified the radiation emitted by SM's as suspect carcinogen"
False.

"2) Karolinksa Institute, one of the top ten medical research orgs in the world, which picks the Nobel prize winner in medicine urged a halt of all wireless technology until it can be determined that they are safe "

False -- that would be one infamous scientist who was named "Misleader of the Year" by a prominent scientific organization is his home country,

What statements do you have from Karolinska about this? Please produce a document on their website -- ki.se -- not one from Olle Johansson that is published in some pseudo-science rag.

"3) American Academy of Environmental Medicine called for a moratorium on smart meter installations."
What standing does this group have? How about something from a reputable hospital.

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George Karadimas

11:40 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

Malaprop.... suggest you google "smart Meter problems" and come back when you finish the whole list of documented problems!
I will look you up about 2020 same month. Chao.

Traci M. Radice

3:36 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

4) Dr. David Carpenter, an internationally recognized expert in this field:
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There is clear and strong evidence that intensive use of cell phones increases the risk of brain cancer, tumors of the auditory nerve and cancer of the parotid gland, the salivary gland in the cheek by the ear. The evidence for this conclusion is detailed in many publications in the peer-reviewed scientific literature. Smart meters use similar radiofrequency radiation, although the intensity of exposure in the immediate environment is under most circumstances lower than what one gets from holding a cell phone close to your head. The difference between a cell phone and a smart meter environment is that while the cell phone is used only intermittently a smart meter environment is continuous. There is also strong evidence that leukemia rates are increased among people living near to powerful AM radio transmission towers. Because WiFi, radio transmission towers and smart meters all generate similar RF radiation, my conclusion is that if the whole body is exposed, leukemia is the major cancer of concern, while if only the head is exposed as in using a cell phone, one sees increased risk of local cancers, such as brain cancer.

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Malaprop

12:20 am on Monday, April 30, 2012

Dr. David Carpenter is alarmist. While was trained at Harvard Med, he no longer acts as a scientist.

Dr. Carpenter's descent into pseudo-science is evidenced on a video promoted by Del. Glass.

http://www.daggerpress.com/2012/03/09/del-glass-on-public-utility-smart-meters-evidence-suggests-these-meters-may-be-dangerous-to-our-bodies-and-the-environment/

At about 0:50 into the video, Dr. Carpenter asks "What is the evidence that smart meters are safe? ... and the answer is that there is no such evidence."

This affront to science is the rhetoric of a false prophet. It is impossible to "prove something safe." Carpenter's audience is not the scientifically trained populace understand this deceit but the scientifically challenged activists, misguided politicians and opportunists that thrive on this board.

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George Karadimas

11:47 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

Malaprop...You leave me floored regarding your recollection of 0;50 spot on the video.
My question is Do You recall anything BELOW or ABOVE the 0:50 Mark?
Or is this all you were told about it and have no clue of anything else contained in it?

You got me wondering whether you also believe that square fish swim faster on gravel.

Traci M. Radice

3:36 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

More from Dr. Carpenter:
The statement released by BG&E that “Many studies conducted across the country have found that smart meters do not pose a health risk” is totally false. There have been no studies of the health effects of smart meters to my knowledge. The statements about the Food and Drug Administration and World Health Organization are equally untrue. It should be noted that the World Health Organization this past summer declared radiofrequency radiation to be a possible human carcinogen. While it is true that the nature of exposure to RF from smart meters is not significantly different from that coming from other wireless devices, what is important is cumulative, aggregate exposure. My position is that we should practice “prudent avoidance”, which is to say reduce unnecessary exposure to the degree possible until the magnitude of risk is fully understood.

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Traci M. Radice

3:39 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

cont'd:
My specific concerns about smart meters are as follows:
1.The benefit of the smart meters is entirely to the utilities, & is economic in nature. If they install smart meters they can fire those individuals who at present are employed to go around reading meters. Thus this is a job-killing proposal & will increase unemployment in a state that already has too much.
2.When a smart meter is installed residents have no choice in the matter or ability to avoid exposure. But every individual has the option to use or not use other personal wireless devices, until more is know about health consequences of chronic RF exposure. There is a major difference between an exposure which an individual chooses to accept and one that is forced on individuals who can do nothing about it.
3.The BG&E letters states “The meter that we will install at customers’ homes will transmit for less than 15 minutes each day on average.” This is probably true, but is a deceptive statement, because while transmission of data to the utility occurs for short periods of time, the device continuously generates RF radiation that will expose anyone nearby 24/7.
4. The evidence for adverse effects of radiofrequency radiation is currently strong & grows stronger with each new study. Wired meters with shielded cable do not increase exposure. The same benefit to the utility could be achieved by use of a wired connection & this would not increase exposure of residents to excessive RF radiation.

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Malaprop

1:08 am on Monday, April 30, 2012

So it's OK with the false prophet Dr. Carpenter if "job killing" is done by broadband instead of wireless?

We need and explanation of the 24/7 exposure in item 3. My bet is that Carpenter is the deceptive one.

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George Karadimas

11:52 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

Malaprop...24/7 is no joke to people afflicted with EHS.
Try to Imagine if you can, being in an elevated temperature oven with no escape.
Just the right temperature to make you suffer but not high enough to get you cooked.

Amy Leahy

4:14 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

Wow am I glad I looked at this. There's a wealth of information to look at and absorb.

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Traci M. Radice

4:28 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

Thank you for paying attention! We need more like you!

MarylandSmartMeterAwareness.org

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Malaprop

1:10 am on Monday, April 30, 2012

A wealth of misinformation coming from pseudo-scientists looking to exploit people's fears.

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Debbi Webber

10:53 am on Sunday, May 27, 2012

Hi I have read all comments and I agree I DO NOT want a Smart Meter..To me it is too big a risk just to save the electric companies money by having their readers not go to homes anymore where as there will be many people with illnesses,,,I have signed the petition on the websites and now I need to know how to go about doing the opt out as I see it has been approved. Is there a paper I need to send in to BGE to make sure they don't install one? I have alot of health issues and a rare autoimmune disease and there is no cure and I dont need other health problems.. I am trying to get better, not worse. I can opt out for airport device so why cant I opt out for radiation in my house? This should be a no brainer BGE.. let's see..save money,.... .get cancer or worse...No Thank you.. I have been fighting to live and will continue to fight to live...

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George Karadimas

11:56 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

Malaprop...it has been said "Blessed is the MAN or The Woman , who having NOTHING to SAY refrains from Giving Wordy Evidence of the FACT"
Now in all sincerity I am asking you!
Why do You keep chiming in??

HB415

8:28 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

Google SmartMeters across the nation and UK and you will find this is not good for anyone but big business. All of the future medical issues will put even more strain on our already hotbed public health crisis. I have suffered from headaches (chronic debilitating migraines) for 30+ years and finally have found a treatment that is working. The prospect of being forced to install an aperatus that has the side effect of headaches is not only going to cause me to lose work days ($$) and increase my visits to the doctor (more $$). Please people do the research and speak your mind!! http://www.MarylandSmartMeterAwareness.org

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Malaprop

1:11 am on Monday, April 30, 2012

And why should we believe this diagnosis or anything else that you say?

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George Karadimas

11:59 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

Malaprop...here you go again sticking your foot in your mouth!
have you NO SHAME Compaction , remorse or regret??

Patricia O'Brien - Boarman

10:10 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

Did you know? If those smart meters are installed, you can bet within two years your electricity bill will be 2 to 3 times higher as not enough grant money came through to pay for them and the additional cost which will be gigantic will be passed on to BGE's customers, that's you and I. This also allows BGE control over your heating and cooling systems because they can reduce your energy to what they think you should be using. Hackers will know when you are home, because they will know when you use your microwave, washer/dryer, etc. Please write letters to BGE and to the PSC requesting an opt out of the smart meter and request to keep your analog meter, get no trespassing signs up on your property and next to the meter to be replaced. This smartmeter is a health issue and concern as well as invasion of our privacy. Act now, as PSC will be holding a hearing and they can grant us an opt out if we request it or they can ban them or put a moritorium on until all of these issues have been addressed, especially the RF radiation. Thanks to all of you who have made comments helping to enlighten us all by education of these Smart Meters, "United we stand", talk alone will not work, does make us all aware, we need to write letters and send them certified also sign petitions, please do it now. Thanks, I'll do my part.

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Susan Brinchman

10:29 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

You can do what people here in CA did. They locked up the analogs with metal cages, chains and locks, behind fences, whatever it took. Then refused the smart meters and took it to the media and the PUC in a very loud manner. Civil disobedience, protesting on the streets with signs, got local governments to take a formal position against the meters (criminalizing the installation, banning them, demanding opt-outs), and raised absolute heck, relentlessly. Since billions of dollars are at stake, playing nice in THEIR sandbox won't do it. Some states had legislators that helped, most are sucking up to the money end of things. Bottomline - learn about this. www.stopsmartmeters.org is the best for civil action and info on the 56 governments in CA with the ordinances etc. People went out and gave talks in person, on the radio, on public tv, at meetings, etc., and organized. You MUST do all of the above to fight these meters.

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Traci M. Radice

7:40 am on Friday, April 27, 2012

We are doing that here, as well, but there are only a few of us. We didn't mobilize early enough because our media was strangely silent on this issue... we'll see what the PSC decides next month! Thank you for posting here and helping.

Susan Brinchman

10:34 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

Here are articles relating to why the Public Health Alert was issued by our nonprofit, scientists and physcians. http://www.electrosmogprevention.org/category/public-health-alert/
Smart Meter Dangers www.smartmeterdangers.org tells you what the science is behind the harm.

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Orwell

12:34 am on Sunday, April 29, 2012

They individually identify electrical devices inside the home & record when they are operated causing invasion of privacy.

They monitor household activity & occupancy in violation of rights and domestic security.

They transmit wireless signals which may be intercepted by unauthorized & unknown parties. Those signals can be used to monitor behavior & occupancy to be used by criminals.

Data about occupant’s daily habits & activities are collected, recorded and stored in permanent databases which can be accessed. Those with access can review a permanent history of household activities complete with calendar/time-of-day metrics to gain a highly invasive & detailed view of the lives of the occupants. It is possible, with analysis of certain “Smart Meter” data, to determine medical conditions, sexual activities, physical locations, vacancy patterns, personal information & habits of the occupants.

“Smart Meters” are, by definition, surveillance devices which violate Federal and State wiretapping laws by recording and storing databases of private and personal activities and behaviors without the consent or knowledge of those people who are monitored.

Electromagnetic & Radio Frequency energy contamination from smart meters exceeds allowable safe and healthful limits for domestic environments as determined by the EPA.

Smart meters can be hacked and will be hacked.

Installation of a smart meter can lower property value due to all the stated issues and controversy.

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Malaprop

1:13 am on Monday, April 30, 2012

"Electromagnetic & Radio Frequency energy contamination from smart meters exceeds allowable safe and healthful limits for domestic environments as determined by the EPA."

Any evidence for this statement?

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George Karadimas

12:06 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Malaprop... EPA says that they have not tested for that level of radiation and it also says that the FCC standards are for levels that will COOK you Instantly, so they do not apply to the low level and type of radiation being emanated from smart meters.
So You are told that YOU are ON your OWN.
Those with Brains in their heads act accordingly...But though every body Has a head, there is no guarantee that it contains a brain.

Susan Brinchman

12:59 pm on Sunday, April 29, 2012

Dear Orwell,
I agree. We, as a Party, have the documents from the Smart Grid Deployment Plan CPUC proceedings in CA to prove the above. Further, the info is now already being utilized by law enforcement. This is a gray area of the law that they are getting away with. The only solution is to lock up the analogs you have now, refuse smart meters, and mean it. Agitate at the state level to ban them. Organize your communities. This is for real and we cannot allow the corporations to turn us into the "United Corporations of America", nor can we allow a "technocracy" to develop, where technology controls us, not the other way around. This has all emerged under the Obama administration, it is chilling and worse than any science fiction ever written, definitely Orwellian. Both major political parties have bought into the idea of allowing the telecom and utility companies to force constant levels of non-ionizing radiation on us, with the proliferation of cell towers, the increase of power in cell towers that exist, WIFI everywhere, smart grid and smart metering. The plan is to eliminate all landline phones too so that we will be forced to use the dangerous cell phones that are being peddled to us like they are safe and mother's milk. Nothing could be further from the truth, according to independent scientists. See www.smartmeterdangers.org for the science behind the harm from RF radiation.

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Susan Brinchman

1:53 pm on Sunday, April 29, 2012

I will tell you something. There is so much MONEY invested in the smart grid and so many politicians getting money from telecom and utility sources for their campaigns, so much lobbying, that the level of activism has to go way beyond petitions, which are ignored. Take a look at what has worked in CA and do it. www.stopsmartmeters.org is a good place to look! Playing nice about this won't do it.

Traci M. Radice

2:58 pm on Sunday, April 29, 2012

@Susan - trust me. We are doing EVERYTHING possible - not just petitions. We *are* looking at CA but also at the MANY other states that have issued moratoriums or opt outs. Right now, our (Maryland Smart Meter Awareness and individuals) "fight" is with the Public Service Commission which has a hearing on 5/22 to determine whether it will allow opt outs.

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Traci M. Radice

3:01 pm on Sunday, April 29, 2012

VERY interesting find last night --
John Rowe, the CEO of Exelon, said of the smart grid:

... it costs too much, and we're not sure what good it will do. We have looked at most of the elements of smart grid for 20 years and we have never been able to come up with estimates that make it pay."

Exelon is now BGE's parent company!

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Susan Brinchman

8:02 pm on Sunday, April 29, 2012

The public utility commissions of each state can be the ones to spearhead the program, as was the case in California. The utilities did not want to install the smart meters, they were "told" to - even though that appears to be illegal in the eyes of many. So perhaps your utility and its parent company don't want to install smart meters. Find out and make SURE your state and its agencies (PUC) are NOT promoting the smart grid and smart meters. Whatever it takes, legally, do. The worst part is that the US Dept of Energy (US DOE) is handing out hundreds of millions to 25 states (4.5 billion in all) of Recovery Act funds to fund the smart grid (and thus, smart meters) even though the US Energy Acts of 2005 and 2007 say not a thing about a mandate nor about wireless. It is supposed to be opt-in. However, the Obama administration is on a major roll to force wireless (and its radiation) on all of us, no matter where we are - rural or city. This is part of that. They need to hear from all of us about how we feel on that topic.

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Susan Brinchman

8:05 pm on Sunday, April 29, 2012

You can look up these funds for your state on www.recovery.gov and find out who funded what - grants for utilities etc., for smart grid. Takes a bit of digging but it is all there.
The US Dept of Defense is also funding smart grid in Nevada, and perhaps other states. We'd like to know WHY.

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Traci M. Radice

11:10 pm on Sunday, April 29, 2012

Thank you. Go to marylandsmartmeterawareness.org to see our documents. Also, we know the DOE gave BGE $200M for the AMI rollout

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Malaprop

8:47 am on Monday, April 30, 2012

That report is crock and sage associates is nothing but an alarmist organization that rejects science. EPRI debunked the report, you can speak to any engineer and they will tell you how Sage's report is utter nonsense.

Do you have an engineering background and can you make sense of the reports to which you refer?

Susan Brinchman

8:58 am on Monday, April 30, 2012

I would not waste too much time responding to Malaprop, he is a wireless industry employee and advocate who spends an inordinate amount of time (perhaps paid to do so) trying to debunk the science and truth that shows smart meters are dangerous. In my opinion he is a likely shill. Also one who refuses to use his real name. Waste of time. He spent about 6 months doing this on the La Mesa Patch and likely does it all over the country.

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Malaprop

7:11 pm on Monday, April 30, 2012

Since when does using a "real name" mean that you are honest? Ever heard of Bernard Madoff?

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George Karadimas

12:14 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Malaprop.... Honesty is one thing!
But Intelligence is a horse of a different color!
And the more you persist with your drivel, the less we believe you have in storage.

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Tommy Warshaw III

2:35 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

@Mr. Karadimas,

That is rich coming from someone who struggles with basic reading comprehension and formatting posts above a first grade level.

Jim Davis

9:10 am on Monday, April 30, 2012

My concern is not the possible health issues, very few meters are that close to living spaces. What burns my butt is this is another thing being jammed on us by the same people who promised that deregulation would cut our rates and make life better. With the smart meters we have the potential for service cuts when we need the service, rates going up and since much of this is being done with Federal grants the National debt is going up.

When will politicians learn that Feel Goods and extraneous spending are not national/state priorities? Just stop finding problems in need of expensive solutions.

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Traci M. Radice

7:22 pm on Monday, April 30, 2012

You're right, Jim. They *will* turn off your appliances or reduce load for 'minutes' or longer. Imagine those who solely live on electric equipment. ..

Susan Brinchman

9:59 am on Monday, April 30, 2012

Smart meters are VERY close to living spaces. For instance, mine is on my bedroom wall, right on the other side of the headboard. Smart meters are near where children and pregnant women, seniors etc. sleep and sit (on living room walls)... Watch Dark Side of Smart Meters http://youtu.be/FLeCTaSG2-U to learn more about how far the dangerous emissions travel.

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Malaprop

7:38 pm on Monday, April 30, 2012

Here are some Publication posted by Karolinska. These are linked right to Karolinska. These publications do NOT support danger from RF in cell phones.

I find no reports urging a halt to wireless technologies as Traci reported above -- although I am patiently waiting.

This is just another example of the massive science deception orchestrated by the top echelon of the anti-smart meter movement. The foot soldiers that we see here are simply misinformed, although by now Ms. Brinchman should know better.

http://ki.se/ki/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=130&a=136019&l=en&newsdep=130
NO INCREASE IN BRAIN TUMOURS IN THE NORDIC COUNTRIES.

"...The analyses presented by the researchers also show that the increased risks previously reported to be associated with mobile telephony in a few individual studies should have been observable in the general cancer statistics if mobile phone use had indeed been associated with a true risk increase..."

http://ki.se/ki/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=130&a=89283&l=en&newsdep=..
NO CONNECTION BETWEEN INCREASES CELL PHONE USAGE AND CHANGE IN BRAIN TUMOR INCIDENCE

"There was no substantial change in brain tumor incidence among adults 5 to 10 years after cell phone usage sharply increased, according to a new study conducted by researchers at Karolinska Institutet amongst others. The study was published in the latest issue of Journal of the National Cancer Institute."

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Traci M. Radice

7:51 pm on Monday, April 30, 2012

Are you kidding me? Look around the US! There are moratoriums and opt outs and lawsuits... I am more concerned about that and the LACK of energy and cost savings

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Malaprop

11:30 pm on Monday, April 30, 2012

Let me get this straight -- because lawyers file suits means that science is on their side? If you think that a lawyer needs scientific evidence before filing a suit you are not living in the real world.

I'm not addressing costs/savings and other issues. I am merely refuting the baseless and trite health claims that one can find on any of the dime-a-dozen activist sites.

May I suggest that you open your mind, do some research, and ask why no reputable health or science organization supports your viewpoint.

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George Karadimas

12:20 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Malaprop... REPUTABLE is a matter of perspective.
One culture's branded terrorist...is another cultures FREEDOM FIGHTER!

Malaprop

11:24 pm on Monday, April 30, 2012

I am referring to Karolinska. You made the claim that Karolinska:

"urged a halt of all wireless technology until it can be determined that they are safe."

I find no evidence that Karolinska made that statement -- NONE. Where did you find that?

Perhaps Olle Johansson -- disgraced and demoted staff member -- made that claim, which would hardly be surprising for the 2004 "Misleader of the Year," but Karolinska has not.

I've posted two links to Karolinska with evidence that refutes claims about harm done by RF. Now it's time for you to produce evidence of the Karolinska statement you made above.

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Susan Brinchman

1:03 am on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

Go back in your hole, Malapoop. Shills not wanted.

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sherri bailey

3:19 pm on Tuesday, May 8, 2012

No I am not in favor of them. Bring back the analog. I've had nothing but sleepless nights, ringing and buzzing ears, dizziness and headaches and also my children. Take this radiation thing out of here.

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Traci M. Radice

8:28 pm on Tuesday, June 19, 2012

Sherri - do you know you can tell BGE that you do not want it? Enought people did that in DC and Pepco is removing them. Send a certified letter to BGE, Attn Smart Meter Deferral, POB 1475, Baltimore, MD. 21203 and copy to the PSC

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George Karadimas

10:08 pm on Tuesday, June 19, 2012

Sherri.
Download the for , fill it out and send it to BGE and PSC , it works even if smart meter has been installed.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3ABCMXdUxMARzJEMzBIbGU4eDg/edit

The Truth

4:20 pm on Tuesday, May 8, 2012

Wake up people. Smart meters aren't going anywhere. I am not saying some people might not be sensitive to them but the outright lies here are just nonsense.

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Traci M. Radice

9:53 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012

@sherri bailey - where are you that you have 1 already? Contact us through marylandsmartmeterawareness.org or find us on FB.

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Traci M. Radice

9:56 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012

80% of households that have smart meters have seen an INCREASE in rates. Who else is going to pay the difference in the cost of the project ($483M) minus the $200M that BGE got from the federal govt?

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Traci M. Radice

9:56 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012

The Energy Act of 2005 does NOT mandate the use of these 'stupid' meters

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Tracy

2:35 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

Is anyone going to Old Mill HS on Monday to discuss and OPT Out with the BGE reps?? It says on 05/21 from 6:30 - 8:30 they will be there to answer questions. I called BGE and was told they could note that I wanted to OPT out and they are considering giving us an option.

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Susan Brinchman

6:04 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

People should go "en masse" and protest, be vocal and get the media there too. Research who they will have speak also, as usually (always) they bring those working for the industry to throw the bull.

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Traci M. Radice

7:11 am on Friday, May 18, 2012

@Tracy, I will be there (MD Smart Meter Awareness).

@Susan, we are trying to create the 'en masses'!

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Traci M. Radice

3:18 pm on Friday, May 18, 2012

Although I'd prefer to see a total ban/moratorium in Maryland, this would be the next best thing! Opt out with no fees!

http://www.dailytidings.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120517/NEWS01/205170305

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Debbi Webber

10:58 am on Sunday, May 27, 2012

Hi I have read all comments and I agree I DO NOT want a Smart Meter..To me it is too big a risk just to save the electric companies money by having their readers not go to homes anymore where as there will be many people with illnesses,,,I have signed the petition on the websites and now I need to know how to go about doing the opt out as I see it has been approved. Is there a paper I need to send in to BGE to make sure they don't install one? I have alot of health issues and a rare autoimmune disease and there is no cure and I dont need other health problems.. I am trying to get better, not worse. I can opt out for airport device so why cant I opt out for radiation in my house? This should be a no brainer BGE.. let's see..save money,.... .get cancer or worse...No Thank you.. I have been fighting to live and will continue to fight to live...
I don't want to pay a fee but if it will let me opt out for good.. I will. if someone can send me some info , how to opt out, please do..puppylover2165@aol.com

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Traci M. Radice

11:05 am on Sunday, May 27, 2012

To be clear, Debbi, there is NO OPT OUT approved yet! The PSC has only approved a deferral IF you ask for it in writing to BGE (if that is your supplier). I will email you what you need to do. And, IF, the PSC approves an opt out with fees, we will fight that too!

Traci
Maryland Smart Meter Awareness

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King Of Odenton

11:46 am on Sunday, May 27, 2012

Why do you people that do not like smart meters want them banned? What about the rights of people who WANT smart meters. I agree that if you don't want one you should be able to opt out. I don't think the fears of a few should stop the technological advance of others.

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George Karadimas

12:26 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

here is one reason!
Mobile-Phone Radiation Safety To Be Reviewed By U.S. FCC
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-15/mobile-phone-radiation-safety-to-be-examined-by-u-s-regulator.html#disqus_thread

IT is CALLED HARMFUL RADIATION...that affects everybody.

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Tommy Warshaw III

10:26 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

@ Mr. Karadimas,

The words "might" and "possibly" is littered throughout that article. That hardly proves anything. Do you actually read the articles in the links before you go posting them or do you just do a Google search and start posting every link that pops up that might help back your position?

Something tells me that you fall in to the "It's on the internet so it must be true" camp. Based on another statement of yours in this thread directing someone to do a Google search and look at all the results for evidence tells me that's the case.

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George Karadimas

2:22 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

@ Tommy W. I am not in the convincing Business and I am not tasked with the Job of slicing words, and parsing sentences, for coherence and grammatical errors.
We live in a world where information and education is readily available, from the comfort and convenience of the keyboard on our computers.
The problem with Humanity is that we all witness the same event, but perceive that as compared to what is familiar to us based on our past experiences. Rare Individual indeed is the one that can think OUTSIDE the BOX in every instance that is so warranted.
Regarding RF Exposure here is another report, as to how one may be affected.
Some are more sensitive genetically than others, and then some are Pachyderms immune to everything. Who am I to say who is who and in what class?
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Technology/RFsafetyCommittee/8910031.pdf

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Tommy Warshaw III

2:32 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Congratulations Mr. Karadimas, you have just proven that you can not even handle basic reasoning. My reply to the link you posted had nothing to do with "slicing words, and parsing sentences, for coherence and grammatical errors." My response was that the article you posted, while raising questions about issues with RF exposure, proved nothing.

It is now apparent that in addition to having issues identifying the difference between credible and non-credible information sources, you have a reading comprehension problem as well.

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George Karadimas

2:51 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

@Tommy W III The posted link to the article contains the same words and phrases you have been complaining about and berating other poster here that do not agree with your warped point of view. And yet the article is written by a doctor competent in the field. Perhaps you should take the time read study and analyze it before jumping on the keyboard to demonstrate your ineptness and stupidity.
Here are some words that you can keep!
"Ignorance can be remedied with education!.....BUT STUPID is FOREVER!
Here is your second chance!
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Technology/RFsafetyCommittee/8910031.pdf

Malaprop

7:09 pm on Tuesday, May 29, 2012

Traci:

Have you removed your remarks about Karolinska from your website? I certainly hope you checked the links I sent you.

If you have not removed these statements from your website, I respectfully ask that you provide me official links from Karolinska (not 2004 "Misleader of the Year" Olle Johansson using their letterhead) backing your statement.

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Susan Brinchman

10:18 pm on Tuesday, May 29, 2012

We already proved that Malaprop works for the wireless industry, he pops up on Patch articles defending smart meters, spending hours each day. He admitted this. His attacks on every independent scientist is a sham and should not be given any credence whatsoever. Back in your hole, Malaprop - you who won't reveal your name, you said your wife won't let you - gee, I wonder why?

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Malaprop

10:27 pm on Tuesday, May 29, 2012

And how do you spend the hours of your day Susan? Let's count the postings.

Traci M. Radice

8:33 pm on Tuesday, May 29, 2012

Let's not be so hung upon Karolinska's opinion (though still weighted).

The American Academy of Environmental Medicine's new position paper:
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/05/23/4510648/american-academy-of-environmental.html#storylink=cpy

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Traci M. Radice

8:35 pm on Tuesday, May 29, 2012

Or you can Google Karolinska Institute on smart meters yourself and find the 2011 paper or just click http://www.scribd.com/doc/48148346/Karolinska-Institute-Press-Release

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Malaprop

9:35 pm on Tuesday, May 29, 2012

Traci:

This is just another confirmation of the low-quality provenance of your research. This is a paper by 2004 Misleader of the Year Olle Johannson.

http://www.vof.se/visa-forvillare2004eng

The paper appears on Scribd, not on the Karolinska website, ki.se, as the papers I linked do.

Like it or not, Karolinska does not agree with you. Your ally is just one, demoted staff member who is not even a professor.

Malaprop

9:14 pm on Tuesday, May 29, 2012

Traci:

People should be concerned about your misrepresentation of Karolinska's opinion. You have been notified, and in typical activist fashion, you continue the farce.

Now if you wish to promote the views of an untrustworthy group such as the American Academy of Environmental Medicine I have no issue with your making a fool of yourself:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/environmental-medicine/

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Susan Brinchman

10:21 pm on Tuesday, May 29, 2012

Malaprop has had his comments removed for these kinds of personal attacks. Shows you how badly the utilities and telecom companies want to hide the truth. Don't be fooled. www.electrosmogprevention.org

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Traci M. Radice

8:53 pm on Tuesday, June 19, 2012

Does anyone here notice that people who oppose Smart Meters are nice, reasonable and just trying to get the truth out (by posting info from INDEPENDENT sources and the PSC itself and not utility paid experts) and those who are trying to shove them down our throats are name-calling, personal attacking shill?

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Malaprop

10:26 pm on Tuesday, June 19, 2012

Does a reasonable person appear on the radio show of an anti-semite and Holocaust denier and declare that the person is a promoter of alternative medicine?

Is the anti-semite, who runs the show a reasonable and nice person?

Is it unreasonable to complain about that?

Is it unreasonable to complain that you are misleading people about Karolinska?

Is it unreasonable to complain when we hear of a anti-smart meter letter from an Austrian Medical group whose website containing the letter we cannot find?

Is it unreasonable to complain about the American Academy of Environment Medicine whose president was brought up on charges by the Texas medical board for "unproven" medical treatments. The charges declared:

"treatments are potentially harmful. Injections of neurotransmitters, mycotoxins, jet fuel, natural gas, and other chemicals can be a dangerous practice."

Is it unreasonable to complain about a special ed teacher taking advantage of intellectually challenged individuals to solicit donations and hawk useless anti-emf products on her website?

The people who oppose smart meters on issues of "health" are not reasonable. They are either unqualified fools who believe are heroes or opportunists who take advantage of the fools.

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George Karadimas

11:05 pm on Tuesday, June 19, 2012

@Malaprop
The science you practice is called SOPHISTRY and you are a Pathetic Practitioner, I suggest you go here to take some lessons from the BEST (GREEKS). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophism
and remember from your own country's adage...."Oh what tangled webs we weave, when first practice to deceive!"

Stop Pretending to look thinks up, and research the core of the matter!
Stop slinging mud at institutions that are not in FAVOR with your MASTERS, stop misquoting sources, and leave ethnic slurs for some other show.
I understand that you have a difficult job, but continuing to make a fool of yourself has lost it's appeal and has become irritating!

Traci M. Radice

10:15 pm on Tuesday, May 29, 2012

I don't think you need to personally attack me. The majority of people can make up their own minds based on the research and evidence of 10 states that have deployed before Maryland. The mere fact that there is a QUESTION of safety to my family is enough for me and everyone I have come in contact with. You are not making change here so why do you keep posting?

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Malaprop

10:26 pm on Tuesday, May 29, 2012

Everyone "you have come in contact with?"

The overwhelming majority do not return smart meters and use cell phones. You either run in a very narrow circle or this is just another fabrication.

Your science is horrible -- your "research" is false and/or quackery.

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Traci M. Radice

2:46 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012

Smart Meters do NOT comply with Maryland law!

Md. Public Utilities Code § 5-303 provides the Standards of Service [of utility companies].

Md. PUBLIC UTILITIES Code Ann. § 5-303
Annotated Code of Maryland, Copyright 2012

PUBLIC UTILITIES
DIVISION I. PUBLIC SERVICES AND UTILITIES
TITLE 5. POWERS, DUTIES, AND PROHIBITIONS
SUBTITLE 3. DUTIES OF PUBLIC SERVICE COMPANIES

Md. PUBLIC UTILITIES Code Ann. § 5-303 (2012)

§ 5-303. Standards of service

A public service company shall furnish equipment, services, and facilities that are safe, adequate, just, reasonable, economical, and efficient, considering the conservation of natural resources and the quality of the environment.

HISTORY: An. Code 1957, art. 78, § 28(c); 1998, ch. 8, § 2.

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Malaprop

10:16 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012

You do not comply with the Patch Terms of use.

You are not permitted a post that:

"is inaccurate, false or misleading in any way;"

Your quackish smart meter activist link points to a website loaded with misleading material.

First, you claim that Karolinska issued a "GLOBAL HEALTH WARNING" against smart meters. I have seen no evidence of this on the ki.se website which is where such a warning would be placed. You have a link to a letter from a demoted professor, who was voted Misleader of the Year 2004 in Sweden, on Scribd.

You post unsubstantiated claims from Daniel Hirsch, who teaches nuclear policy and who does not make any valid scientific argument.

You post a letter from the American Academy of Environmental Medicine, group know for promoting dubious medicine and whose former President had charges against him from the Texas Medical Board.

You also violated the terms of agreement:

"or any other form of solicitation."

by asking for donations.

I suggest that you get your own house in order, stop misinforming the public and stop soliciting contributions for your quack cause.

Traci M. Radice

2:51 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012

RESIDENTS OF SEVERNA PARK (and all of AA County or even Maryland):

The Maryland Public Service Commission, on 5/24/12, ORDERED a DEFERRAL of installation of Smart Meters on your home or business. In order to defer installation, send this NOW:

Date:

Sent by Certified Mail

Baltimore Gas & Electric
Attention: SMART GRID DEFERRAL
P. O. Box 1475
Baltimore, MD 21203

NOTICE OF DEFERRAL OF INSTALLATION OF SMART METERS PER PSC’S ORDER NO. 84926 DATED MAY 24, 2012

I am hereby notifying Baltimore Gas & Electric Company and its agents (including but not limited to Grid One Solutions, Inc.) that you are NOT to install a Smart Meter anywhere on my property pursuant to Order No. 84926 issued by the Maryland Public Service Commission on May 24, 2012.

Sincerely,

__________________
Printed name:
[insert address]

cc: David Collins, Executive Secretary
William Donald Schaefer Tower
6 St. Paul Street, 16th Floor
Baltimore, MD 21202-6808

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Traci M. Radice

2:53 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012

IF you already had one installed and do want BGE & the PSC to know that you do not want it, send this one NOW:

Date:

Sent by Certified Mail

Baltimore Gas & Electric
Attention: SMART METER DEFERRAL
P. O. Box 1475
Baltimore, MD 21203

NOTICE OF DEFERRAL OF INSTALLATION OF SMART METERS PER PSC’S ORDER NO. 84926 DATED MAY 24, 2012

Pursuant to Order No. 84926 issued by the Maryland Public Service Commission on May 24, 2012, I am hereby informing you that I do NOT want the Smart Meter that you, and/or Grid One Solutions, Inc. or other agents, installed on my property without my consent.

Sincerely,

__________________
Printed name:
[insert address]

cc: David Collins, Executive Secretary
William Donald Schaefer Tower
6 St. Paul Street, 16th Floor
Baltimore, MD 21202-6808

And visit http://marylandsmartmeterawareness.org/donations/ to donate to the Maryland Smart Meter Awareness fund so we can keep educating and fighting against the unlawful installation of these meters. Also visit the website for signs you can post on your house.

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Tommy Warshaw III

6:59 am on Friday, June 15, 2012

I laugh at all the going-ons about the digital meters. BGE announces digital meters and everyone starts running around like their hair is on fire. Off all the things I have to worry about in life, this is not even remotely on the radar. I got stationed up here last April after 7 years of being stationed in a fairly rural part of SC. They installed digital meters there a few years back without issue. It was well advertised, but there wasn't the big public fuss like there is up here. Yes, there is an initial cost for installation that may cause a temporary (key word) spike in prices, but in the long run should lead to lower operating costs and lower rates.

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Tommy Warshaw III

10:35 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

You are going to educate me on RF radiation Mr. Karadimas? Just what is your background that qualifies you to do so?

I have served in the AF for the last 13 years (and counting) as a communications electronics maintenance tech dealing with everything from computers to radio and satellite transmitters. I'm well aware of the dangers of RF Radiation and as I pointed out earlier, the article in the link you posted proves nothing. It raises concerns and lists possibilities, but that is about it.

One of the people quoted in the article says this, "The absence of definite epidemiological evidence isn’t proof that there’s not a problem and shows that not enough studies have been done..." Guess what? That isn't proof that there is a problem either. It is simply speculation.

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Malaprop

2:23 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Tommy:

George is trolling -- his arguments are not even incoherent.

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Tommy Warshaw III

2:54 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

@Malaprop,

I realize that now. I've lived with Smart Meters and had no adverse health problems associated with them and saw an overall decrease in my electric bill (outside of the first couple of months to cover installation). It has become obvious though that because my actual real-world experience with smart meters (of which Traci swore up and down they didn't have in SC) doesn't fit into the personal bias of others, it is disregarded. I've posted what I can, but I think it is time to unplug myself from this now. Thank you for your posts attempting to shed light on the misinformation of others. I only hope that the misinformation doesn't lead to a delay in the installation at my residence of a device that helps me save my hard earned money.

Traci M. Radice

7:32 am on Friday, June 15, 2012

Tommy - Smart Meters are NOT the same as digital and SC does not have SMeters. Do your research about no cost savings, health risks, privacy and security issues being raised in 10 other states. I read BGEs comments filed with the Commission and they ARE going to increase rates to recover the costs. Some people in other states have seen their bills double and triple. It's a $500-800M project and BGE only got $200M from the govt. who do YOU think will pay for the difference?

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Tommy Warshaw III

8:06 am on Friday, June 15, 2012

If it concerns me, I will do my research. It will involve reputable sources however, and not the same tired (and suspect) sources you keep citing.

South Carolina doesn't have smart meters? Are you sure you really want to stand by that statement, because I can tell you unequivocally that you haven't a clue of what you're talking about. The state does have them. The electrical COOP I received my power through in Sumter County, Black River Electric, uses "Smart Metering" technology. I put it in quotes because they do not use that term, but the technology is precisely the same as those marked Smart Meters. It is just provided by a different manufacturer. Greenville County in the upstate has had at least 17,000 smart meters (with that brand name) installed as of the last data I was able to find. That was just a quick search. I'm sure I could find even more information for the number of meters installed in SC if I so chose. I suggest you be the one to do a little research before making statements that make you look foolish.

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Tommy Warshaw III

9:18 am on Friday, June 15, 2012

Further, I can tell you that I did see a slight rate increase for a couple of months following the installation of this technology by my COOP in SC. After that however, my bills actually went down. The information you (and others) keep posting contains a lot of heresay and conjecture, but is relatively light on actual facts.

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Traci M. Radice

8:56 pm on Tuesday, June 19, 2012

If anyone wants to see the REAL radiation exposure risk, see the PDF posted here

Traci M. Radice

9:48 am on Friday, June 15, 2012

Hey Tommy,

Thanks for looking up the SM status in SC and I apologize for my error. I just thought you were confusing "digital" with "smart" and went further than I should have without Googling first! I can admit when I am wrong - can you?

What I don't understand is the fact that I posted a letter required under the State of Maryland PSC's ORDER OF DEFERRAL and have suddenly been personally attacked by you and Malaprop in very 'angry' sounding voices. The citizens of Maryland have a right to know they can DEFER the installation. My whole point all along has been that the meter should not be mandatory.

I'm so very glad that your COOP bills went down, but I do not post hearsay or conjecture. I follow the news.

Have a great day!

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Susan Brinchman

10:11 am on Friday, June 15, 2012

Malaprop spent 6 months (I am in CA) attacking me for sharing my health problems associated with the smart meters and the problems with the smart meter program. He always refused to use his own name, eventually revealed he worked for the wireless industry, and was strongly suspected of being a paid industry shill. Now that I see he is doing it here too, I am even more convinced of that. There is big money involved and trying to put out the "fires" of truth is what big business does.

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Malaprop

6:34 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

There is no personal attack here. I hope that you fail in your campaign to deceive and misinform on the smart meter issue and wish you well otherwise.

Your earlier statement "The mere fact that there is a QUESTION of safety to my family is enough for me" explains your fear but does not justify it. If you left it at that, there would be no issue.

Your unfounded fear does not give you a right to misinform and continue to do so when several people have shown you the flaws and falsehoods in your posts and on your website. Your refusal to make corrections to the falsehoods indicates a lack of integrity. Your refusal to examine scientific sources, instead of the quacks you quote and promote, shows extreme bias.

You are unfit to make scientific judgements. If you wish to learn, look here, and at least explain why some of the science on this website is wrong:

http://www.emfandhealth.com/

The best that you can do is tell us you are afraid of what you don't know about smart meters. There is no excuse for your leaving bogus, false and misleading information on your website.

And please stop with the false modesty, "I admit when I'm wrong" when you simply refuse to learn.

Tommy Warshaw III

10:17 am on Friday, June 15, 2012

I have no wrong to admit. I posted no personal attacks. If you took it that way, then that is on you. My whole point is, who cares if the meter is mandatory? This not the five alarm fire that you and other rabble-rousers are making it out to be. You say you follow the news? You might want to try actually vetting that news before you go posting it as gospel. Malaprop has posted several responses that point out errors in your information. You chose to ignore that and resorted to playing the victim game by claiming you've been personally attacked.

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Susan Brinchman

10:27 am on Friday, June 15, 2012

Go to www.smartmeterdangers.org for the positions of the American Academy of Environmental Medicine on smart meters, the Santa Cruz County Health Dept. (CA), and scores of independent experts, physicians, and scientists. Read the Position Statements and Research sections for all the science on the matter. More at www.electrosmogprevention.org. This massive technological mistake called "smart meters" and "smart grid" will go down in history as one of the dumbest errors ever made by engineers.

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Tommy Warshaw III

4:20 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

You know Susan, I’m not a smart meter expert. My problem is that I don’t think you or Traci are either. The use of exaggerated inflammatory rhetoric by you and Traci just undermines your cause.

Here are responses to some of the common complaints I’ve seen in comments here and other places on the web while doing my own bit of research…

“Customers have noticed huge increases” Really? How much? Maybe they have been undercharged for a long time due to manual meter reading?

“Your utility has access to a treasure trove of information about you” Hmm. How exactly? Sounds like maybe they can read the spikes in power use, I am guessing? So they are inferring your habits? You know who really has a treasure trove of information about you? Banks, and they’ve been in the business of selling personal information long before smart meters were a twinkle in their inventor’s eye.

“Emerging evidence that wireless, non-ionizing radiation (from cell phones, wi-fi, and ‘smart’ meters)” There are a few more cell phones than smart meters. Giving up cell phones, too? I’ve also worked around military communications equipment that put out a whole lot more than the measly 1 wattage of power that is emitted by the wireless transmitter on a smart meter. There is a lot of hearsay on the web that the output wattage is much higher, but I haven’t found any hard and fast proof that this is the case.

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Traci M. Radice

9:40 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

I'm curious- How do you call published studies hearsay? I see the utilies posting studies and reports from 2004 (malaprop convinced to go to the emf site he posted) and physicians and scientists opposing it have published studies later. Later evidence-based articles are getting my attention. I have seen actual REAL video that the PEPCO meters are active and pulsing constantly and not the 2 minutes per day that utilities say they will. In fact, 4 PEPCO employees recently said when they videotaped the pulsing that it was much more than the manufacturer said it would be. Can you explain that?

kingofodenton2

4:52 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

@ Susan. I am sorry for your health problems. However, I doubt they are from smart meters. I read that you are claiming your problems started immeadately after the smart meter was installed. All the information that i have read concludes that IF the smart meters were to cause health issues it would be after prolonged exposure and the jury is still out on that.

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Malaprop

5:57 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

I also question the ability of smart meters to immediately affect health. One of the scare tactics used by pseudo-science experts like Carpenter is that we won't know for 15 years and yet we have people like Susan saying she fell ill immediately.

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George Karadimas

12:43 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Now you folks are practicing medical diagnosis without a license I presume?
How credible is your speculation??

Malaprop

6:16 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

Susan is a retired special education teacher -- I believe a very good one -- who has the ability to connect with people who do not or cannot think for themselves. Unfortunately, instead of educating her audience, she uses her skills to misinform them. She maintains a website that seeks donations and sells worthless EMF protection which she liberally promotes. She is seems to be an extremely effective shill or useful idiot (I cannot tell which) for the anti-wireless charlatans. What I do not know is how much she profits or what she gains from this misinformation.

As you can see, she is clearly uninterested in evidence based science by her appeal to authority of the AAEM -- which has been sufficiently debunked in this thread. She also invokes authority from charlatans Dr. Olle Johannson, Daniel Hirsch, David Carpenter and Cindy Sage.

She does not even attempt to examine the truth -- for example, she could show us where Karolinska claims a "GLOBAL HEALTH THREAT" but rather than do that she issues personal attacks and implies that people are paid to debunk her and her phony scientists. Alternatively, she will publish or post a rash of nonsense from internet blow-hards but never reliable, repeatable science which she should know as a former educator.

On the other hand, I do admire Susan's ability to work with people, her persistence and her sense of humor, even if though they are for the wrong cause.

I hope that she is well and recovers from any ailments.

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Susan Brinchman

10:57 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

I think the public can decide whether to believe people who will not reveal their names and call eminent scientists and Harvard-trained public health leaders with prominent positions quacks .... give me a break. A waste of time. But the editor needs to remove slanderous material. As for me, I have "opted out" and have had the two smart meters removed from my property, without getting sick from being by the electric meter outside. However, the mesh network is still in place, the signals can be measured every few seconds in the neighborhood, and the neighbors (except for one) still have their smart meters. So all is not as well as it can be. There are permanent (or it would seem so) health effects from having had the rotten devices on my house for two years. Very sensitive still to WIFI and cell phones, to microwave RF radiation of the same sort that was being pumped out into my head as I slept less than a foot from the smart meter for 6 months, before I knew to avoid it. Before, didn't have this. I say this for the sake of the other readers, as I am well aware that Malapoop isn't really interested, he just likes to attack. Learn more at www.electrosmogprevention.org - see the 30 filings with the State of CA smart meter proceedings that helped lead to the opt-out http://www.electrosmogprevention.org/stop-ca-smart-meter-news/cep-filings-for-sdge-opt-out-at-cpuc-2011-2012/. Ultimately these devices will be banned or removed by utliities everywhere. Any fees are discriminatory.

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Malaprop

2:46 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

"eminent scientists and Harvard-trained public health leaders"

You use the plural. You've stumbled upon a charlatan from Harvard. I'm sure there are a handful of others, every institution has some odd eggs.

Let's see some real evidence on reputable websites.

kingofodenton2

6:43 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

I would think that there would be millions of people sick if wireless technology caused illness. It is used all over the world and has been for years. Common sense would tell you that there is no need to be concerned with this.

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Traci M. Radice

9:22 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

ok educate me - What do do you industry blow hards say about the fact that the utility has one expert (Valberg - who doesn't even practice human health but is just a physicist) who says the SMeters are safe but there are many unpaid, unsolicited physicians who see real live patients who have issued warnings and/ or cautions against them. If you can - without pointing fingers and name-calling which you do in nearly every comment, explain what's happening here. Do tell me how you can prove them safe when people in almost every state and country are complaining of sudden onset insomnia and anxiety after the meter is installed but symptoms fade iwhen they move their bedroom further away from the meter, or other health issue. Explain how the industry uses old outdated info to promote theSMeters (2010 info from PGE is being used here and PGE has since admitted it was wrong) when opponents have 2011 info showing its much more/worse than normal wireless 'toy' radiation? Plus the fact thAtmy wireless toys are voluntary and optional and I turn them off but I will be unable to turn off the SMeter which is mandatory and whole body exposure. Convince me your side is right with reasonable, accurate, current info.

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Tommy Warshaw III

10:15 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

Industry blow-hard? I guess you missed the part where I'm active-duty Air Force, but thank you very much for playing.

I have no need to to convince you that I am right. You're the one who made ridiculous claims that you can't back up with credible (key word) sources. The onus is on you to prove your side to us, not the other way around. You won't though. You'll keep regurgitating the same stuff you've repeated over and over again. Claims that defy reason and common sense. I guess you and Susan are students of the Joseph Goebbels school of misinformation: Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.

Have fun spreading your dezinformatsia. I'm moving on to things that are of actual concern in life.

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Tommy Warshaw III

10:44 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

One last thing for you, since you don't seem to have much of an understanding of the transmission of radio waves or wattage. Even IF the wattage was high enough to cause physical ailments, it would be a cumulative effect, i.e. it would be awhile (week, a few weeks, a month, etc.) before symptoms showed up. You cite "reports" of symptoms surfacing immediately after installation. Radiation strong enough to do that would kill you within a few days. Based on the (dis)information that you and Susan post, one would be led to believe that these are putting off more radiation than radars and radio transmitters used by the military and that is not even remotely likely.

I hate to burst your bubble, but insomnia and anxiety are generally psychological issues. I'm baffled that you would even try to include this as part of your facts. This is laughable at best.

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Malaprop

1:35 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Traci -- You do not seem to understand fundamental science nor logic.

"how you can prove them safe?"

How do you prove anything safe?

" after the meter is installed but symptoms fade iwhen they move their bedroom further away from the meter,"

These claims are non even remotely scientific. People make errors, believe that they are sick and even lie. We need compelling evidence.

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Malaprop

2:38 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Tommy:

I have tremendous respect for your positions here. You bring much insight into the debate.

While I find these two incredibly deceptive, I cannot find cause to connect them in any way to Joseph Goebbels.

There is one anti-smart meter activist who does remind me of Joseph Goebbels -- Deanna Spingola.

www.spingola.com/October2011.html

I have asked Christine Hoch, a Maryland anti-smart meter activist, to apologize for appearing on Spingola's show. I have yet to hear any apology.

I am certain that Traci and Susan would not appear on Spingola's show.

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George Karadimas

6:50 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

On the subject of how people get affected by low level RF spread spectrum radiation absent a "Valid" research study by "Accepted" , "Accredited" and "Approved" Governmental and NGO organizations, of which to date there is NONE, The astute and concerned citizen would fall back on the experience and reports of their piers!
In that regard a Google search on the subject will reveal a torrent of adverse testimonies.
And being prudent one would err on the side of caution.
For those that sate that the JURY is still out. I say good! If and when they come back, depending on their report, I will decide if I want to partake on this new wireless Mesh technology...and until then I am OUT!
At one time cigarette, cigar smoking and tobacco chewing was in Vogue and considered hip Macho and NOBODY BUT ME, Thought it to be stupid habit.
As it turns out I am old Enough to know about it and LIVE and Healthy to recount the era. The Unfortunate part with smart meters equipped with RF Radiation communication technology, when the Jury comes in with a Guilty Verdict, it will be too late for the innocent bystanders to take cover. I Guess You Military types call it collateral damage. In the instant case the original cause was not fighting for Freedom and Democracy around the world. It was just the way for the corporate elite to reduce their operating costs and get a raise on their paycheck.

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George Karadimas

7:15 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

malaprop, Thank you for the link. I do not know who Deanna Spingola. www.spingola.com/October2011.html is , but from her web page I found http://www.napervillesmartmeterawareness.org/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul5oQ3wbstQ and a host of other related Smart Meter Information that should make the readers here at least take a second look.
Very Good Input, Thank you for your positive contribution.

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Tommy Warshaw III

10:45 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

@ Malaprop,

You're right that throwing Goebbels name in there was a bit much (I normally try and stick to the facts, but sometimes irritation can cause a bit of sarcasm to emerge), but the manner in which Susan and Traci continue to regurgitate the same information over and over again is does fall does fall under that theory of spreading misinformation.

I think what Traci, Susan and whoever else has posted in support of them fail to realize is that none of us have a problem with them taking an opposing position. I know I don't. My problem (and I've seen your frustration with it too) is that they are not doing so from a factual standpoint, but instead choose to incite mass hysteria with the same twisted information over and over again.

Traci M. Radice

9:26 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

Also it seems to me that the ONLY country whose citizens are NOT complaining of health issues after SMeter installation is Italy and that's because Italy used fiber optic cable and not wireless.

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Malaprop

2:13 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

"the ONLY country whose citizens are NOT complaining of health issues after SMeter installation is Italy and that's because Italy used fiber optic cable and not wireless."

There is absolutely nothing logical or sensible about this statement. We seriously have to wonder about your intelligence and education.

Furthermore, how does this empty, meaningless remark justify the false information you post on your website?

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Malaprop

2:37 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

"I hope they aren't all quacks"

First, we need to determine if this organization has a web presence outside of the anti-wireless websites. I am having a very difficult time finding the website.

Then we need to see a document on that website, and determine the group's legitimacy Austria.

Please provide a website for the "Austrian Medical Association" that contains this information. DO NOT PROVIDE A LINK TO AN ANTI-WIRELESS WEBSITE.

Thanks,

Susan Brinchman

11:02 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

Here is one of the 26 articles I have written on La Mesa Patch about smart meters. It contains a US Army study that was recently declassified. This type of radiation is used in military weaponry with the same results, same symptoms. It is not commonly understood, especially in America where toxic exposures are swept under the rug for the sake of money. Revealed: SDG&E Smart Meter Technical Data and Bio-Effects
http://lamesa.patch.com/blog_posts/revealed-sdge-smart-meter-technical-data-and-bio-effects-of-microwave-radiation

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George Karadimas

3:19 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

As expected, the overall mortality of amateur radio operators is quite favorable
when compared with that of all US males.
However, this large population-based study indicates that amateur radio operator licensees in Washington State and California have significant excess mortality due to acute myeloid leukemia, multiple myeloma, and perhaps certain types of malignant lymphoma.

Avocational and/or occupational exposures to electric and magnetic
fields should be among the possible etiologies considered in explaining this excess
mortality.

http://sammilham.com/Amateur%20radio%20operators'%20mortality.pdf

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kingofodenton2

4:34 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

If RF killed we would ALL be DEAD. It is everywhere. What is the real reason you people don't want smart meters? Come on people be honest!

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Malaprop

9:58 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Who said they don't want Smart Meters?

Ms. Brinchman is making a name for herself driving traffic to her quack web site. I think she loves smart meters as it allows her to use her skills as a special education teacher to hoodwink people with learning disabilities. Heck, they may even purchase some of the worthless anti-emf merchandise on her website. And if they are really gullible, they may even donate. Ms. Brinchman is no fool.

Ms. Radice on the other hand is quite naive (and that's being generous). A middle school student can make better arguments. She is the perfect prey for a special education teacher who promotes quackery. Still, I cannot believe she is so intellectually challenged that she cannot see the flaws on her website, and so I cannot help but think there is some deceit.

George is a troll.

BTW, I am convinced that the Austrian Medical Society was fabricated for the purpose of publishing false claims about smart meters and other wireless devices. If it's real, I would like to see a list of its board of directors, their affiliations and its standing in the Austrian medical community. I have a strong feeling we are not going to see it. Even the least skeptical should be asking why these phony and fringe organizations are promoted by the anti-wireless websites.

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George Karadimas

8:23 am on Sunday, June 17, 2012

@Malaprop
I suggest to learn about TROLLS you Go Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Middle-earth)

For YOU or anybody else that wants to Learn why I want to keep my ANALOG METER in continuing service go here:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B3ABCMXdUxMAX01rYi1nWHZhWTg

Name calling shows your BIASED position which has no place in a FREE thinking and Democratic society.

George Karadimas

10:32 am on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Compendium of Radiofrequency Harmful Effects: accelerates tumors, increases malignancies (said FDA memo)
Microwave News Undercovers 1993 FDA Biologists Conclusion about Microwave Radiation

Thanks to a Microwave News request under the Freedom of Information Act, Microwave News unearthed an internal agency memo from the Food and Drug Administration in 1993. In the memo, Food and Drug Administration (FDA) biologists stated that the available data "strongly suggest" that microwave radiation can "accelerate the development of malignant tumors." "Of approximately eight chronic animal experiments known to us, five resulted in increased numbers of malignancies, accelerated progression of tumors, or both," wrote Drs. Mays Swicord and Larry Cress of FDA's Center for Devices and Radiological Health (CDRH) in Rockville, MD.
http://microwavenews.com/news/backissues/j-f03issue.pdf

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George Karadimas

1:08 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

@kingofodenton2 I am not the one to judge or evaluate what you read and what you get out of it.

If you concluded that MWs present no problem for you then I say by all means go for all the MW technology that is available to you.

What I read and what I understood was that WHEN IN DOUBT stay OUT!

The purpose of my input was to be given the opportunity to present information to the concerned reader! Which has been accomplished.

The quoted section was to get people to start studying the issue, so they might become more educated in the subject.

Microwave radiation is but a subset of the concerns that I have regarding Smart Meters. I have posted elsewhere on this tread ----- UNDERSTANDING Smart Meters for DUMMIES.... https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3ABCMXdUxMAX01rYi1nWHZhWTg/edit

kingofodenton2

11:20 am on Sunday, June 17, 2012

@George maybe I didn't read that article right. but it sounded like they were saying at the end of the article that "Both Swicord and Cress have had a major change in their
outlook. “More than 300 studies have been done since then, including a number of animal studies, and there is no indication of
a problem,” Swicord said.
Cress agrees. “My evaluation has gone from being concerned
to believing that there is a very small chance of health effects.”

This article refutes the claims you all are making.

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Malaprop

11:31 am on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Can one of the anti-wireless activists please get me a link to the "Austrian Medical Assocation" so I can view their board of directors, their position papers and their standing in the Austrian medical community.

Thanks!

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kingofodenton2

11:36 am on Sunday, June 17, 2012

@ George You need to read and quote the whole article not just quote the sections that prove your point. If read the entire article you would see the last paragraph where Drs. Cress and Maynard state that they had a MAJOR CHANGE in their outlook and THERE IS NO INDICATION OF A PROBLEM. DR Cress stated “My evaluation has gone from being concerned
to believing that there is a very small chance of health effects.”

Your own sources invalidate your claim!

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George Karadimas

1:24 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Precautionary Principle dictates that .....WHEN IN DOUBT STAY OUT!

Through the years has served me well!

It all about making Choices!

I Know people that SHOT themselves....BUT SURVIVED and are functioning FINE!
By YOUR LOGIC one MUST CONCLUDE.....That BULLETS are SAFE!
The Military Industrial complex thinks like you do!
After all they have been running a profitable business on the concept, for more than 60 years, who am I to argue with them?

George Karadimas

7:56 am on Monday, June 18, 2012

MUST Watch the VIDEO PRESENTATION
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/06/16/emf-safety-tips.aspx?e_cid=20120616_DNL_art_1

LOW POWER PULSED DIGITAL SIGNALS OF ERRATIC NATURE emanating from CELL PHONES are Suspected KILLERS!

SMART METERS ANYONE??

Story at-a-glance
The biological impact of your cell phone is not related to its power, which is quite weak, but rather to the erratic nature of its signal and its ability to disrupt resonance and interfere with DNA repair.

Serving as an illustrative warning of the potential for your cell phone to cause cancer is the case of a young woman with no other predisposing risk factors for cancer who developed multi-focal breast cancer directly beneath the area of her breast where she’d been tucking her cell phone into her bra.

Earlier research has shown that wearing a cell phone on your hip may weaken an area of your pelvis, and cell phone radiation has also been found to affect men's sperm count, and the quality and motility of their sperm.

As a general rule, you’ll want to avoid carrying your phone anywhere on your body. The most dangerous place to be, in terms of radiation exposure, is within about six inches of the emitting antenna, especially when it is put next to soft tissue such as in your pant or shirt pocket, or worse yet, in a woman’s bra

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Malaprop

7:52 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

From Quackwatch:

"Many of Mercola's articles make unsubstantiated claims and clash with those of leading medical and public health organizations. For example, he opposes immunization [4] and fluoridation [5], and mammography [6]; claims that amalgam fillings are toxic [7]; and makes many unsubstantiated recommendations for dietary supplements. Mercola's reach has been greatly boosted by repeated promotion on the 'Dr. Oz Show.'"

Warning letters to Joseph Mercola:

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/EnforcementActivitiesbyFDA/CyberLetters/ucm059189.pdf

http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2006/ucm076069.htm

http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/prod/2011/mercola.shtml

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George Karadimas

9:30 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

@Malaprop

The link I posted on Dr. Merola's Website is for a Video presentation of researchers on the subject of Pulsed Microwaves and their Effects on Human health.

Those are NOT Dr. Mercola's Ideas, he is just passing along the information as a warning to concerned citizens to protect themselves from Harmful spread spectrum low intensity NON-IONIZING radiation. (SMART METERS Fall in that CLASS!)

How many FDA APPROVED DRUGS can you Think of that HAVE MAIMED, KILLED and sent THOUSANDS OF TRUSTING PEOPLE into the GRAVE or WORSE YET , LEFT THEM CRIPPLED for LIFE?

Thalidomide anyone? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide

Will this suffice for you to retract your HORNS or should I make A Torrential LIST of the ESTABLISHED ORDER'S ABOMINATIONS ON HUMANITY? and ALL IN PURSUIT of the OLD MIGHTY GREENBACK! against the hapless everyday hard working trusting and well meaning citizen!

It is Your Call "Malaprop"!

Come on back my Boy for the Deluge! and Make my Day!
I do need to beat an octopus to tenderness for cooking!

Richard Hertz

12:34 am on Tuesday, June 19, 2012

It's the pursuit of the almighty greenback that gives us the incredibly high standard of living that we currently have. Because humans are imperfect, errors will be made. But that's how progress is made.

If you want a life of complete safety I have some bad news for you...you're not going to find it here on earth.

I'd like to see your list of the established order's abominations against humanity...just for fun.

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George Karadimas

7:17 am on Tuesday, June 19, 2012

If you think that you are living under an "Incredibly high Standard of living" I have news for you!

PULL your HAD out of the SAND, and Stop watching the Talking heads on Indoctrination Network TV.

Regarding the concept that some suffer or Die due to ERRORS of Human Imperfection, in order of Progress to be Made, I suggest you Develop an Online Sign up List, and PUT YOUR NAME FIRST! Here is your opportunity to Pass onto Immortality.

Every Body else on this Thread on the interest of SELF-PRESERVATION will elect to stand back and watch you. WITH ME FIST!

Here is a link to an article "Stuxnet: Anatomy of a Computer Virus" watch the VIDEO and READ the ARTICLE. http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/offensive-technology-1/stuxnet-anatomy-of-a-computer-virus.html
"Obama's cyber war: did he start a Stuxnet black hole?"
An example of how a stealth virus can take down a "very secure" grid!

And Keep in mind as you plod through that SMART METERS with the Wireless MESH configuration that is being Foisted on the hapless ratepayers of BGE/PEPCO/DELMARVA/SMECO , makes EACH ONE OF THEM SMART METERS a VIRUS ACCESS POINT.

Hooray for TECHNOLOGICAL PROGRESS!

Jen

7:36 am on Tuesday, June 19, 2012

I got a digital meter last summer when I put a lock on my back gate. BGE got tired of calling me for the numbers I guess. My bill has not gone up. I do the budget billing and it has remained the same amount. At the end of my billing cycle last fall, still had a low last bill. My thermostat hasn't been changed to my knowledge, unless it's done while I'm at work and they put it back before I get home. These meters are outside your home, how many are outside next to their meter constantly? How many of those complaining have several cell phone and other wireless devices in their home or on their person all the time? My cell phone stays in my purse or on a table unless I'm using it. I tend to text more than talk on the phone as well.

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George Karadimas

8:36 am on Tuesday, June 19, 2012

Jen,

I Take it that you are now Happy with the performance of your Smart Meter.
The Maryland Public Service Commission has Issued a Temporary Deferral Order Until a Final Decision is made, one presumes based on the input of the ratepaying Public.
Why I want to keep my analog meter you can go here. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3ABCMXdUxMAX01rYi1nWHZhWTg/edit and if anything in there speaks to you you can act accordingly.

Now regarding the latest dangers and adverse health effects INCLUDING CANCER you can watch this latest video that has come to my attention here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNNSztN7wJc&feature=player_embedded#t=0s

Regarding the dangers to National security and continued availability of electricity to your home watch here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scNkLWV7jSw&feature=player_detailpage#t=5s

It is all about Information and keeping up with current events.
Silly remarks have no place in an intelligent discussion...... RE: Your Thermostat.

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Susan Brinchman

8:29 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012

The radiation exposure from one smart meter = up to that from 160 cell phones (Hirsch). Not to mention that this mesh network is nothing like any individual device AND it impacts emissions on the home wiring as well as starting fires that have killed people and destroyed houses. Nothing like any other wireless device. http://www.electrosmogprevention.org/public-health-alert/smart-meters-radiation-exposure-up-to-160-times-more-than-cell-phones-hirsch/. When have you ever heard of 56 municipalities in a state taking a position that they didn't want a wireless device there, to the extent of criminalizing its installation, even? Attorneys for these municipalities and experts have convinced them of the dangers. This is an unprecedented major technological mistake.

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Malaprop

10:53 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012

Exactly what are Daniel Hirsch's credentials? He seems to have pulled this 160 factor out of thin air. Is he a physicist? A scientist?

Or perhaps professional fear mongerer? He is president of committee to bridge the gap, another group seeking donations in return for generating fear.

Pretty much like electrosmogprevention.

George Karadimas

8:57 am on Tuesday, June 19, 2012

SMART METER---BGE DEFERRAL FORM
One Original to BGE another copy to PSC (Addresses on the Form)
and Keep a copy for yourself.

Until Maryland PSC Final DECISION...OPT OUT works even for those that had a SMART METER FOISTED ON THEM while they were at work trying to earn a day's wage.
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B3ABCMXdUxMARzJEMzBIbGU4eDg

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George Karadimas

12:58 pm on Thursday, June 21, 2012

An example that people still have the power.
The wise act with Forethought, instead with after thought in the case below!
GLOBAL ELITES THROWN OUT OF ICELAND:
Iceland Dismantles Corrupt Gov't Then Arrests All Rothschild Bankers
http://tinyurl.com/854dp3k
http://tinyurl.com/7am44dz

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George Karadimas

4:01 pm on Thursday, June 21, 2012

What some Shills, Inside Plants & skeptics have been waiting for.
Show me the evidence!
http://smartmeterskill.com/?p=784

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George Karadimas

4:49 pm on Thursday, June 21, 2012

I was watching a bunch of videos about smart meters and while watching this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCzI0R7M9To&NR=1
I saw that at around the 2:50 mark, they cut the shrub down!!
didn’t take long to get rid of the evidence.
Keep up the great work!
And
THANK YOU!!

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George Karadimas

7:39 am on Friday, June 22, 2012

Olle Johansson, PhD Announcing Seletun Scientific Statement.
Biological Hazards and Risks to the Genetic Code from Unchecked Proliferation of Wireless Technologies.
http://vimeo.com/18018440

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Malaprop

11:59 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012

" This finding is of unknown clinical significance."

kingofodenton2

8:43 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012

George & Traci I have never seen such false information posted on a thread. The Patch should really consider stopping this nonsense. We get that you don't like Smart Meters. Please stop posting this nonsense on here. Patch please stop the posting of this misinformation.

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kingofodenton2

9:36 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012

@Traci as I continued to review the links you posted I will say they are from more credible sources than the ones George posted. While I might not agree with what you posted I am keeping an open mind about this issue. Research and Information from credible sources help people make informed choices. Lies and propoganda from dubious sources muddy the issue. Whether you are for or against Smart Meters it is wrong to post information that is wrong or misleading to try to sway people to your side of the issue.

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Traci M. Radice

1:32 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012

And just because you don't like it or are fighting against it, does not mean it is lies or propaganda. What *I* find as credible, you may not, and that is fine. Just as In a courtroom, each side puts on evidence of two different sides and it is up to a non-biased third party to sift through and find what he/she decides is the most credible. Difference is there is more civility in a courtroom than is found on these Patch posts. sad. I have not called anyone here a liar or a quack because of what he/she believes in and wish others would do the same. If you are for the SMeters, post your credible evidence. If you are against SMeters, post your credible evidence and let the people decide. Isn't that why we are here? (btw, this was not directed at just you kingofodenton2)

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Malaprop

10:18 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012

Traci:

You do not post scientific evidence. You post anecdotes, falsehoods, misinformation and propaganda. Yes, it is propaganda. It is written to provoke fear, not intelligent discussion.

I have asked you many times, and ask again, please post evidence that the Karolinska Institute declared a "GLOBAL HEALTH WARNING." I will continue to nag you about this until you post evidence or retract the statement.

And Olle Johansson, voted Misleader of the Year 2004 by the Swedish Skeptics Society, does not speak for Karolinska. He is not listed among the professors:

http://ki.se/ki/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=364&dispd=1833&l=en

Meanwhile, Karolinska Professor Maria Feychting, has her research posted right on ki.se.

"The incidence of glioma - the most common form of brain tumour - is not increasing in the Nordic countries, contradicting the claim that mobile phone use is a cause of the disease."

http://ki.se/ki/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=130&a=136019&l=en&newsdep=130

Once again, provide evidence that Karolinska has issued a "GLOBAL HEALTH WARNING"

kingofodenton2

8:41 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012

I try to keep things civil. Sometimes I type before I think it through. I belive everyone has the right to voice their opinion. However, I have read several people on here picking and choosing quotes from articles that fit their points and leaving out the rest of the information because it doesn't support their claim.George quoted someones research and at the end of the article he was referencing the Dr that conducted the study stated that he was wrong and changed his views. In my opinion it is wrong to quote research that the person who conducted the research stated that it is now not valid.

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George Karadimas

9:03 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012

The objective is to present information for educational purposes of the readers, so they can make up their own minds as to what is involved.
The article you are referring presented a number of concerns in the analysis, irrespective of the conclusion. Which may or may not have been biased because of the circumstances of the author.
We do not live in a free world as we have been mislead to believe, and at times we need to read in between the lines.
Those that look for an easy answers are advised to go directly to www.bge.com and search for "Smart Meters"

Those that seek independently to get their own mind to be congruent with their actions can click here.
Electromagnetic fields:
High-level microwave technology concerns
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B3ABCMXdUxMAeEdfQXc1U3l6dWM
or here
Wireless Tower Antennas, Routers and Smart Meter Safety
http://www.stayonthetruth.com/open-letter-to-all-ten-canadian-provinces.php

Susan Brinchman

8:53 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012

The good thing about this heated dialogue is it raises up the ratings and lets more people know that smart meters are dangerous.

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Malaprop

10:57 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012

And I suppose in your case drives them to your website where you solicit contributions and peddle anti-emf devices to capitalize on the fear you and your anti-wireless associates generate.

Susan Brinchman

11:57 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012

. (TABLE 10. EFFECTS OF ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION AT SOME MICROWAVE
AND HIGHER FREQUENCIES (FROM STUCHLY~ 1978).
29.
Headaches
Eyestrain
Fatigue
Dizziness
Disturbed sleep at night
Sleepiness in daytime
Moodiness
Irritability
Unsociability
Hypochondriac reactions
Feelings of fear
Nervous tension
Mental depression
Memory impairment
Pulling sensation in the
scalp and brow
Loss of hair
Pain in muscles and heart region
Breathing difficulties
Increased perspiration of
extremities
Difficulty with sex life
TABLE 11. SUBJECTIVE EFFECTS ON PERSONS WORKING IN RADIO FREQUENCY
ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS (FROM DWYER, 1978).
Symptomatology
Bradycardia
Disruption of the endocrine-humoral process
Hypotension
Intensification of the activity of thyroid gland
Exhausting influences on the central nervous system
Decrease in sensitivity to smell
Increase in histamine content of the blood
Subjective Complaints
Increased fatigability
Periodic or constant headaches
Extreme irritability
Sleepiness during work

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19810017132_1981017132.pdf

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Susan Brinchman

12:04 am on Monday, June 25, 2012

Malapoop admits to being a wireless engineer after six months of vigorous harassment of anyone saying smart meters or RF can cause harm.
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On the Blog Post SDG&E Files Opt-Out Proposal for Its Problem-Ridden Smart Meters http://lamesa.patch.com/blog_posts/sdge-files-opt-out-proposal-for-its-problem-ridden-smart-meters
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Susan Brinchman
10:39 am on Sunday, December 11, 2011

I have a direct, very pertinent question for Malaprop. Are you now, or have you ever been contracted by or under the employment of SDG&E, any utility company, or any of their agents? yes or no? Ignoring this question will be considered a yes.
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Malaprop
1:58 pm on Sunday, December 11, 2011

No nor have I ever been. Nor have I worked for any smart meter or wireless business nor agent.

I despise fraud.
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THEN...he admits it.
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Malaprop
11:10 pm on Sunday, December 11, 2011

I have a correction to make. The parent corporation of a former employer manufactures wireless equipment. They are international, very, very large and probably sell something to utility companies.

I left that company over twenty years ago and receive no payment from them. I developed theoretical models for data transmission using wired technology and factory automation before leaving the company. I have not worked in that field since.
-----click his name view the posts

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Malaprop

12:14 am on Monday, June 25, 2012

And the conflict of interest is where in 20+ years after receiving a paycheck or any compensation?

BTW, that statement would be true if I worked for Wal Mart 20 years ago.

George Karadimas

9:51 am on Tuesday, June 26, 2012

Smart Meter Education in Video Format For your Viewing Pleasure.
http://thepowerfilm.org/smartmetervideos/external-videos/taking-action/

Select the issue you want to learn about from the List On the Right side panel.

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George Karadimas

2:57 pm on Thursday, June 28, 2012

"While the technocrats are fighting it out among themselves.
We the "ratepayers" get stuck with antique technology before it even gets rolled out by BGE and Pepco

Folks read the highlights below.
This is from the horse's Mouth, that you can quote in your posts and expositions, and can not be blasted for being a "smart meter Kook"!
And remember, all I wanted to do was to turn a light bulb on at night so I can see!
Why does it have to be so complicated?? "

http://www.grid-net.com/smarter-grid
"Mesh-based metering systems promise the barely adequate delivery of six-hour-old data to the utility and day-old data to their consumers. Furthermore, today’s Advanced Metering (AMI) and Demand Response (DR) applications are typically proprietary and stand-alone implementations, which makes them costly to integrate into the back office and even more difficult to coordinate in the field. Security is almost always an afterthought. Needless to say, this approach is ill-prepared and insufficient for the demands of an always-on smarter grid."

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Susan Brinchman

7:47 pm on Friday, June 29, 2012

It is far from paranoia that industry actively tries to discredit people discussing smart meter dangers. To read about how several activist discussion groups formed to fight smart meters in California were infiltrated by a utility executive using a false name, go to PG&E Wants to Limit Info re: “Alleged Spying on Anti-Smart Meter Activists” Case http://www.electrosmogprevention.org/stop-ca-smart-meter-news/pge-wants-to-limit-info-re-alleged-spying-on-anti-smart-meter-activists-case/. There you will find California Public Utility Commission documents that surfaced in discovery, showing the dirty tricks being played. Make no mistake about it. There are shills doing that right here, same thing.

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Malaprop

4:46 pm on Saturday, June 30, 2012

Susan could contribute positively to this discussion by providing authoritative links to the Austrian Medical Association (national) to buttress her claim that highly respected medical organizations claim harmful effects from smart meters.

Yet she refuses.

Instead, she prefers to hurl unsubstantiated accusations of secret payments about those who oppose her. And she does this in spite of her association with an anti-wireless website that promotes EMF protection gear and solicits donations. Now who really stands to gain financially from their activity on this discussion?

We get no answers from Susan, only unfounded accusations and advertisement for a website which capitalizes on the fear she generates.

George Karadimas

4:16 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

NON-THERMAL EFFECTS OF ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS. NOW AVAILABLE FOR FREE DOWNLOAD..
"July 4, 2012. Are there non-thermal effects of electromagnetic fields?

Health Canada says, “NO“. They state on page 9 of Safety Code 6,

For frequencies from 100 kHz to 300 GHz, tissue heating is the predominant health effect to be avoided. Other proposed non-thermal effects have not been conclusively documented to occur at levels below the threshold where thermal effects arise.

Really!

Perhaps Health Canada scientists should read this two part document prepared by the International Commission for Electromagnetic Safety (ICEMS). Although this document was published in 2010, one year after the most recent Health Canada Safety Code 6 was updated (2009), much of the information it was based on was readily available to the review committee of Health Canada when they released their 2009 guideline."

http://www.magdahavas.com/icems-non-thermal-effects-of-electromagnetic-fields-now-available-for-free-download/

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George Karadimas

4:31 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Cellphone Survivors & Non-Survivors: watch their stories, hear their voices.
"Public health statistics have been called human beings with the tears removed. Hear the sagas of cellphone survivors and nonsurvivors and their families who are convinced that heavy cellphone use caused disabling brain tumors."

http://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/6025/t/0/blastContent.jsp?email_blast_KEY=1210160

http://prd34.blogspot.com/2012/07/cellphone-survivors-non-survivors-watch.html

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George Karadimas

6:48 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Rise of mobile masts may be associated with rise in leukaemia.

"A presentation by Prof. Massa showed ample articles from the renowned Lancet asserting the incidence of leukaemia in children associated with electromagnetic fields generated by mobile phones, and especially mobile masts, with the latter having a higher concentration of energy. One gentleman raised his concern over a group of children suffering from leukaemia in Marsascala, his child having had the disease having to take a lot of time off school. One of the other children died. Is there any evidence? Only observational. But it is definitely time to map out the distribution of mobile masts superimposed on a map of the residence of children with leukaemia – especially clusters. If there is a correlation, no amount of ‘lack of evidence’ can rule out the association."
http://www.independent.com.mt/news.asp?newsitemid=145141

QUESTION? Do Smart Meters operate just like a mobile masts? (Cell Phone Towers, attached to your house?) Is the concept of automated meter reading worth taking the risk?

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George Karadimas

7:10 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Doubts cast over consumer benefits of smart meters

"SPECIAL REPORT / The European Commission has asked member states to present before September their cost-benefit analyses on the deployment of smart meters that could lead to 80% of consumers being equipped with intelligent metering systems by 2020. But a recent study casts doubts over their cost-effectiveness and the benefits they bring to consumers.
Smart meters record energy or water consumption, sending the readings back to the power or water suppliers for monitoring and billing. A cost-benefit analysis currently deployed in member states will be finalised by 3 September 2012.

In a recommendation paper, the European Commission says it is yet to be convinced that smarts meters are “economically justified”.
The EU executive's doubts are being raised despite an increased acceptance of smart meters across European countries. In Italy and Sweden, smart meters cover almost 100% of households.

However, a recently published study of the Free University in Brussels (ULB) commissed by the European Consumers Organisation BEUC, found that consumers are not the main beneficiaries of this technology, calling current efforts “a missed opportunity” for end-users.
“Smart meters might be beneficial to some consumers, but we certainly have doubts about whether they will be beneficial to all consumers,” Johannes Kleis of BEUC told EurActiv."

http://prd34.blogspot.com/2012/07/doubts-cast-over-consumer-benefits-of.html

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George Karadimas

4:37 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Attention :: RESIDENTS OF MARYLAND Served by BGE

The Maryland Public Service Commission, on 5/24/12, ORDERED a DEFERRAL of installation of Smart Meters on your home or business.
In order to defer installation, send this NOW:

Date:

Sent by Certified Mail

Baltimore Gas & Electric
Attention: SMART GRID DEFERRAL
P. O. Box 1475
Baltimore, MD 21203

NOTICE OF DEFERRAL OF INSTALLATION OF SMART METERS PER PSC’S ORDER NO. 84926 DATED MAY 24, 2012

I am hereby notifying Baltimore Gas & Electric Company and its agents (including but not limited to Grid One Solutions, Inc.) that you are NOT to install a Smart Meter anywhere on my property pursuant to Order No. 84926 issued by the Maryland Public Service Commission on May 24, 2012.

Sincerely,

__________________
Printed name:
[insert address]

cc: David Collins, Executive Secretary
William Donald Schaefer Tower
6 St. Paul Street, 16th Floor
Baltimore, MD 21202-6808

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George Karadimas

4:45 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Attention:
Maryland residents that filed their opt-out with the Utility, but ended up getting a smart meter installed, contact Obi Linton "olinton@psc.state.md.us" at the PSC because it is a violation of Order #84926.
And the PSC wants all order violations reported.

John Smutko

5:39 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Millions of $$ are going to be spent on these smart meters, for dubious benefits.

How about spending the money to bury the power lines at greatest risk of damage by falling trees. After 5 days without power from the recent storm, I think this is a better investment.

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Traci M. Radice

8:25 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012

Public Service Commission called an emergency hearing on Tues., Aug. 28th at 2pm to hear from the utilities as to their smart meter devices and their malfunctions, power surges, and fires. Any concerned citizen should plan to attend:

William Donald Schaefer Tower
6 St. Paul St., 16th Floor
Baltimore, MD 21202
(410) 767-8000
MD Toll Free: 1-800-492-0474

Directions to the Commission

http://webapp.psc.state.md.us/intranet/AboutUs/directions_new.cfm

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Traci M. Radice

11:17 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012

did you know that Smart Meters can cause fires???

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48949032/ns/local_news-delaware_valley_pa_nj/t/puc-calls-meeting-peco-smart-meter-vendors/

Visit www.marylandsmartmeterawareness.org for more information and if you have had ANY power surges or other electricity issues since receiving a smart meter, please contact us immediately.

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